Re: Visualization of domain and range

2009-06-26 Thread Dan Brickley
Interesting discussion! On 25/6/09 14:15, Simon Reinhardt wrote: Hi Bernhard Schandl wrote: [1] http://www.ifs.univie.ac.at/schandl/2009/06/domain+range_bad.png [2] http://www.ifs.univie.ac.at/schandl/2009/06/domain+range_better.png I like this. The former has several problems anyway: you

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption

2009-06-26 Thread Bernhard Schandl
Mark, And everyone knows at least one way to publish HTML, don't they? I disagree. Most people know how to enter text into a form, but they have no clue what HTML is all about, how it comes that one line of text is bigger while the other is smaller, how backlinks and permalinks are

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re: RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation

2009-06-26 Thread Toby A Inkster
On 25 Jun 2009, at 21:18, Pat Hayes wrote: If [RDF] requires people to tinker with files with names starting with a dot [...] then the entire SWeb architecture is fundamentally broken. RDF doesn't. Apache does. Many hosts do have front ends for configuring Apache, allowing redirects to

Re: Visualization of domain and range

2009-06-26 Thread Keith Alexander
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:16:36 +0100, Toby Inkster t...@g5n.co.uk wrote: What needs to be communicated is that: [ a foaf:Agent ] foaf:holdsAccount [ a foaf:OnlineAccount ] . instead. Those triples are not actually in the ontology itself, but will be found (or at least implied) in any

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption

2009-06-26 Thread Bill Roberts
I agree, with Bernard (and also with an earlier comment of Mark's): if we are talking about widespread adoption of RDF, we need to think of who is currently creating HTML, and how they are doing it. I think we all know this, but it's easy to forget when we spend all our time on the web or

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re: RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation

2009-06-26 Thread Toby Inkster
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 09:35 +0200, Dan Brickley wrote: Does every major RDF toolkit have an integrated RDFa parser already? No - and even for those that do, it's often rather flaky. Seseme/Rio doesn't have one in its stable release, though I believe one is in development for 3.0.

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re: RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation

2009-06-26 Thread Dan Brickley
On 26/6/09 10:51, Toby Inkster wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 09:35 +0200, Dan Brickley wrote: Does every major RDF toolkit have an integrated RDFa parser already? No - and even for those that do, it's often rather flaky. Seseme/Rio doesn't have one in its stable release, though I believe one

Re: Visualization of domain and range

2009-06-26 Thread Bernhard Schandl
Dan, Yeah, my [4] is at my threshold of tolerance for chaos in a diagram. I wanted a way to show the core of the FOAF spec in a picture, so tried (despite similar concerns to those mentioned in this thread) the style of putting domain/range directly in an instance-like style. I think

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re: RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation

2009-06-26 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Dan Brickley wrote: +cc: Norm Walsh On 25/6/09 19:39, Juan Sequeda wrote: So... then from what I understand.. why bother with content negotiation, right? Just do everything in RDFa, right? We are planning to deploy soon the linked data version of Turn2Live.com. And we are in the discussion

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re: RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation

2009-06-26 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Martin Hepp (UniBW)martin.h...@ebusiness-unibw.org wrote: Hi all: After about two months of helping people generate RDF/XML metadata for their businesses using the GoodRelations annotator [1], I have quite some evidence that the current best practices of using

Re: Linked Data tech market; Data Web Servers, anyone?

2009-06-26 Thread Tim Finin
Danny Ayers wrote: 2009/6/26 Aldo Bucchi aldo.buc...@gmail.com: It baiscally answers this question: how do I put my spreadsheet/table on the web? use the column names as class descriptions, give the instances URIs. what's the problem? There are several common problems: (1) not all tables

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re: RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation

2009-06-26 Thread Martin Hepp (UniBW)
Hi Toby, Toby A Inkster wrote: On 25 Jun 2009, at 21:18, Pat Hayes wrote: If [RDF] requires people to tinker with files with names starting with a dot [...] then the entire SWeb architecture is fundamentally broken. RDF doesn't. Apache does. Many hosts do have front ends for configuring

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re: RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation

2009-06-26 Thread Pat Hayes
On Jun 26, 2009, at 3:03 AM, Toby A Inkster wrote: On 25 Jun 2009, at 21:18, Pat Hayes wrote: If [RDF] requires people to tinker with files with names starting with a dot [...] then the entire SWeb architecture is fundamentally broken. RDF doesn't. Apache does. I should have said, if

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re: RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation

2009-06-26 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Melvin Carvalho wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Martin Hepp (UniBW)martin.h...@ebusiness-unibw.org wrote: Hi all: After about two months of helping people generate RDF/XML metadata for their businesses using the GoodRelations annotator [1], I have quite some evidence that the

CFP: 7th International Workshop on Evaluation of Ontology-based tools (EON2009)

2009-06-26 Thread Raúl García Castro
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Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re: RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation

2009-06-26 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Martin, b) download RDFa snippet that just represents the RDF/XML content (i.e. such that it does not have to be consolidated with the presentation level part of the Web page. By coincidence, I just read this: Hidden div's -- don't do it! It can be tempting to add all the content

Re: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re: RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation

2009-06-26 Thread Bradley Allen
Kingsley- On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Kingsley Idehenkide...@openlinksw.com wrote: Mark: Should we be describing our docs for Google, fundamentally? I really think Google should actually recalibrate back to the Web etc.. The correct question to ask, and the one that I believe Mark is