Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-26 Thread Juan Sequeda
> > > > However, just to balance the picture slightly ... > > > > There are *some* clear, well documented examples of semweb/RDF/LD > delivering business value through data integration. The most famous of > these being probably: Garlik (now Experian), Amdocs and arguably the BBC. > In my experience

Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-22 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Hey all, speaking of (business) use cases for Linked Data, there is a number of them on W3C site: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/ However I needed to present a few cases as a minimal slide deck, so here it is -- maybe it will be helpful to someone: http://www.slideshare.net/graphi

Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-21 Thread Harish Kumar M.
Hi, Thank you all for your observations on Semgel. I was really delighted to see Sebastian taking it upon himself to articulate in some detail about how Semgel aligns with the Linked Data vision. Much appreciated! Its also been great to see some of the interesting thoughts and pointers that have

Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-21 Thread Giovanni Tummarello
In the past months i have worked a lot on the commercialization of RDF basedknowledge technologies so i feel like giving a contribution. We tried to understand what could be of interest to enterprise and came up with the slogan - or lets say adopted - "enterprise linked data clouds" with an inter

Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Sebastian Schaffert
Hi Dave, comments inline. :) Am 20.07.2012 um 23:25 schrieb Dave Reynolds: > Hi Sebastian, > > I completely agree with what you say about: > o Harish's original post being relevant to linked data and this list > o that the culture of this forum can be counter productive > o that the evidence

Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Sebastian Schaffert
Dear Martynas, Thanks for your constructive answer. I completely agree with all your points, and I am looking forward to your software (already checked the README ;-) ). We will surely try it out (maybe as a client for our Linked Media Framework). The problem I am facing is that part of my (and

Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Martynas Jusevičius
Sebastian, all, I'm on your side here. But regarding Linked Data, consider the following points that slow down its adoption: - data-heavy players such as Facebook and Google might not be interested in adopting a new open, even if superior, data approach, since it is in their interest to keep as mu

Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Dave Reynolds
Hi Sebastian, I completely agree with what you say about: o Harish's original post being relevant to linked data and this list o that the culture of this forum can be counter productive o that the evidence for linked data delivering business value needs to be a lot stronger However, ju

Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/20/12 4:05 PM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: Kingsley, Am 20.07.2012 um 20:20 schrieb Kingsley Idehen: Again, how have you arrived at the Linked Data vs CSV scenario? Secondly, if you'd done some background lookup, you would have stumbled across comments I've made about CSV and Linked Data

Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Sebastian Schaffert
Kingsley, Am 20.07.2012 um 20:20 schrieb Kingsley Idehen: > Again, how have you arrived at the Linked Data vs CSV scenario? Secondly, if > you'd done some background lookup, you would have stumbled across comments > I've made about CSV and Linked Data. This is exactly the kind of comment by w

Re: Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/20/12 11:48 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: [SNIP] -- so that we can focus on the key non personal points. My claim is founded in the many discussions I have when going to the CTOs of*real* companies (big ones, outside the research business) out there and trying to convince them that they

Linked Data Demand & Discussion Culture on this List, WAS: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Sebastian Schaffert
Kingsley, I am trying to respond to your factual arguments inline. But let me first point out that the central problem for me is exactly what Mike pointed out: "In your enthusiasm and cheerleading you as often turn people off as inspire them. You too frequently take it upon yourself to "speak f

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/20/12 10:17 AM, Mike Bergman wrote: Hi Kingsley, On 7/20/2012 5:30 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 7/19/12 9:13 PM, Mike Bergman wrote: +1 On 7/19/2012 6:37 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: Remember, this is the Linked Open Data (LOD) forum. We've long past the issue of *demand driven*

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/20/12 4:06 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: Am 19.07.2012 um 20:50 schrieb Kingsley Idehen: I completely understand and appreciate your desire (which I share) to see a mature landscape with a range of linked data sources. I can also understand how a database or spreadsheet can potentially

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi Kingsley, On 7/20/2012 5:30 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 7/19/12 9:13 PM, Mike Bergman wrote: +1 On 7/19/2012 6:37 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: Remember, this is the Linked Open Data (LOD) forum. We've long past the issue of *demand driven* over here, re. Linked Data. There's a di

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/19/12 9:13 PM, Mike Bergman wrote: +1 On 7/19/2012 6:37 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: Remember, this is the Linked Open Data (LOD) forum. We've long past the issue of *demand driven* over here, re. Linked Data. There's a difference between solving an issue and just refusing to addre

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/19/12 8:37 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: Remember, this is the Linked Open Data (LOD) forum. We've long past the issue of *demand driven* over here, re. Linked Data. There's a difference between solving an issue and just refusing to address it any more. Pity there isn't a another for

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Michael Brunnbauer
Hello Sebastian, I agree 100% Regards, Michael Brunnbauer On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:06:38AM +0200, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: > But I agree. A technology that is not able to fire proof its usefulness in a > demand driven / problem driven environment is maybe interesting from an > academic s

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-20 Thread Sebastian Schaffert
Am 19.07.2012 um 20:50 schrieb Kingsley Idehen: >> >> I completely understand and appreciate your desire (which I share) to see a >> mature landscape with a range of linked data sources. I can also understand >> how a database or spreadsheet can potentially offer fine-grained data access >> -

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-19 Thread Mike Bergman
+1 On 7/19/2012 6:37 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote: Remember, this is the Linked Open Data (LOD) forum. We've long past the issue of *demand driven* over here, re. Linked Data. There's a difference between solving an issue and just refusing to address it any more. Pity there isn't a anothe

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-19 Thread glenn mcdonald
> > Remember, this is the Linked Open Data (LOD) forum. We've long past the > issue of *demand driven* over here, re. Linked Data. > There's a difference between solving an issue and just refusing to address it any more. Pity there isn't a another forum for generating actual demand as reliably as

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/19/12 2:08 PM, Harish Kumar M. wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Kingsley Idehen mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com>> wrote: On 7/19/12 10:58 AM, Harish Kumar M. wrote: Thanks Kingsley! Just to clarify - Our current focus is on allowing users to *consume* data. Let

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-19 Thread Harish Kumar M.
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > On 7/19/12 9:18 AM, Harish Kumar M. wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to introduce Semgel (http://semgel.com), an web app that we > are building for gathering and analyzing data from websites. The > application is based on semweb technologi

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 7/19/12 9:18 AM, Harish Kumar M. wrote: Hi, I would like to introduce Semgel (http://semgel.com), an web app that we are building for gathering and analyzing data from websites. The application is based on semweb technologies (rdf, owl, triple stores etc) and as such might of interest to t

Re: Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-19 Thread Harish Kumar M.
Hello again, I noticed that a lot of you were not using "quick start" approach I had mentioned in the earlier mail. By going to the link below, you don't need to signup. Just - go to the link http://semgel.com/data/segment/sg11100-product-search - scroll down and click on *"Analyze Now" *to get st

Introducing Semgel, a semantic database app for gathering & analyzing data from websites

2012-07-19 Thread Harish Kumar M.
Hi, I would like to introduce Semgel (http://semgel.com), an web app that we are building for gathering and analyzing data from websites. The application is based on semweb technologies (rdf, owl, triple stores etc) and as such might of interest to this group. The core application is generic - it