Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-10 Thread Renato Iannella
On 9 May 2009, at 20:49, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: Maybe what could happen is a new version could be put in the same place with a revised Status Of This Document bit, which can be done by the W3C staff, explaining the situation. The W3C staff is officially responsible for the SOTD. If there

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-09 Thread Tim Berners-Lee
Maybe what could happen is a new version could be put in the same place with a revised Status Of This Document bit, which can be done by the W3C staff, explaining the situation. The W3C staff is officially responsible for the SOTD. If there is a consensus which includes the original author

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-07 Thread Martin Hepp (UniBW)
Hi Richard, Thanks - this is exactly the kind of substantiated counter-argument I was hoping for ;-) But seriously - we must minimize this confusion. A first necessary step would be to complete the 2006 document - I just spent two hours searching for examples of how the new vCard should exact

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-07 Thread Richard Cyganiak
Martin, On 7 May 2009, at 07:51, Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: (Due to the masses of "old" vCard data, it would not be prudent for any data-consuming application to accept only "new" vCard data anyway - see my SWOOGLE figures from the initial mail - 230,000 vs. 470 datasets - which implies tha

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-07 Thread Dan Brickley
On 7/5/09 08:51, Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: 4. Until this will have happened, there is no rush to update existing applications that create output using the old vCard specification. (Due to the masses of "old" vCard data, it would not be prudent for any data-consuming application to accept only "

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-07 Thread Martin Hepp (UniBW)
Dear all: From the messages in the thread, I conclude that: 1. There is an actual problem. 2. There are good reasons to converge the two vCard variants for the Semantic Web. 3. This will require additional discussion and work, both on the technical and organizational side. 4. Until this will h

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-06 Thread Renato Iannella
On 7 May 2009, at 12:08, Sandro Hawke wrote: Interestingly, it doesn't seem like this question has ever come up before. If there were a Working Group with this in scope, it could (following appropriate process) publish a new version at that same location, but short of that, there's no handy so

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-06 Thread Sandro Hawke
> On 6 May 2009, at 21:43, Peter Mika wrote: > > > We agreed that the proposal for Representing VCard in RDF > > by Renato Iannella is NOW DEPRECATED. > > As the author of the above this is news to me! > > Can anyone declare a W3C NOTE as deprecated? > > I was

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-06 Thread Renato Iannella
On 6 May 2009, at 21:43, Peter Mika wrote: We agreed that the proposal for Representing VCard in RDF by Renato Iannella is NOW DEPRECATED. As the author of the above this is news to me! Can anyone declare a W3C NOTE as deprecated? I was always happy and open

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-06 Thread Leo Sauermann
someone mentioned nepomuk, so these are the ontologies in use at dev.nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org and partly at nepomuk.kde.org: the contact ontology: http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/nco/ there is open source tool support, such as a vcard->nco converter and a Microsoft Outlook crawl

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-06 Thread Peter Mika
Hi Martin, This issue came up at VoCamp in Galway, and we decided to settle it in general by trying to agree on the mappings of microformats to RDF: http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Microformats_in_RDF At least Sindice and our crawler support now the same mappings for the majority of microformats

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-06 Thread Harry Halpin
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: > Dear all: > > As far as I can see, there are now two vCard variants in use - the original > > http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0# > > and the new one > > http://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns# In general, the new one is preferred I believe

vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-06 Thread Martin Hepp (UniBW)
Dear all: As far as I can see, there are now two vCard variants in use - the original http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0# and the new one http://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns# Now - which one should data providers and application developers use? I see the technical advantages of the new variant