next telecon - Friday 1500 UTC

2007-09-12 Thread Ben Adida
Reminder: our telecon this week is Friday, 1500 UTC. Agenda coming tomorrow, I'm a bit under the weather today. -Ben

RE: Syntax Document Editor's Draft update for review

2007-09-12 Thread Hausenblas, Michael
r 12, 2007 7:25 PM > To: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf.w3.org > Subject: Syntax Document Editor's Draft update for review > > > There are still some open issues, but Mark, Steven, and I > have checked in all of our changes and I have put up a draft > at http://www.w3.org/Mark

Re: New RDFa profile, XSLT1 transformation and parser released

2007-09-12 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 18:24 +0200, Fabien Gandon wrote: > Hello, > > I have just released a new version of: > > 1 - the RDFa2RDFXML XSLT transformation: > http://ns.inria.fr/grddl/rdfa/2007/09/12/RDFa2RDFXML.xsl > > 2 - the associated GRDDL profile: > http://ns.inria.fr/grddl/rdfa/2007/09/

Re: New RDFa profile, XSLT1 transformation and parser released

2007-09-12 Thread Simone Onofri
On 9/12/07, Fabien Gandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I have just released a new version of: > > 1 - the RDFa2RDFXML XSLT transformation: > http://ns.inria.fr/grddl/rdfa/2007/09/12/RDFa2RDFXML.xsl > > 2 - the associated GRDDL profile: > http://ns.inria.fr/grddl/rdfa/2007/09/12/

Syntax Document Editor's Draft update for review

2007-09-12 Thread Shane McCarron
There are still some open issues, but Mark, Steven, and I have checked in all of our changes and I have put up a draft at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070912/ Please review this document in preparation for the next task force call. We do not plan on checking in any more

New RDFa profile, XSLT1 transformation and parser released

2007-09-12 Thread Fabien Gandon
Hello, I have just released a new version of: 1 - the RDFa2RDFXML XSLT transformation: http://ns.inria.fr/grddl/rdfa/2007/09/12/RDFa2RDFXML.xsl 2 - the associated GRDDL profile: http://ns.inria.fr/grddl/rdfa/2007/09/12/ 3 - the default RDFa profile now points to this new version http://ns.in

Re: Issue on the latest syntax document: placement of @instanceof (Wed morning:-)

2007-09-12 Thread Ivan Herman
O.k. I have just implemented it:-) (not yet on the server) Ivan Shane McCarron wrote: > Ivan, > > Ivan Herman wrote: >> Is that true? Ie, do we allow the [..] format for @resource and @about? >> > I believe it to be true. @href does not because we are not changing the > requirements of the u

Re: Issue on the latest syntax document: placement of @instanceof (Wed morning:-)

2007-09-12 Thread Shane McCarron
Ivan, Ivan Herman wrote: Is that true? Ie, do we allow the [..] format for @resource and @about? I believe it to be true. @href does not because we are not changing the requirements of the underlying language (XHTML 1.1 in this case) . @resource and @about are new, and permitting URI |

Re: [RDFa TC] TC 29 and normalizing spaces of the children of an element used as a property value.

2007-09-12 Thread Shane McCarron
Fabien Gandon wrote: Shane, I have a question for my culture: the production 8 says "Whitespace is defined as in [XML]. On input all whitespace is preserved - this is exactly as if the value of xml:space, as defined in [XML], is set to "preserve". If the value of that attribute is set to "

Re: [RDFa TC] TC 29 and normalizing spaces of the children of an element used as a property value.

2007-09-12 Thread Fabien Gandon
Shane McCarron a écrit : In XHTML xml:space is always set to preserve. See http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml-modularization-20060705/conformance.html#s_conform_user_agent production 8 Shane, I have a question for my culture: the production 8 says "Whitespace is defined as in [XML]. On inpu

RE: [RDFa TC] TC 29 and normalizing spaces of the children of an element used as a property value.

2007-09-12 Thread Hausenblas, Michael
Mark, Regarding TC29: Fabien and I discussed that on the phone already - the only thing I was able to do was point to the according resolution [1] (and tell about the background why I think we did it the way it is now). IMHO this is not really an RDFa core issue, so I'd propose to revisit TC29

Re: Issue on the latest syntax document: placement of @instanceof (Wed morning:-)

2007-09-12 Thread Ivan Herman
Mark Birbeck wrote: > > >> >> >> bla... > > Note that you can do this: > > > > bla... > > @about and @resource support 'safe curie', whilst @href does not. > Is that true? Ie, do we allow the [..] format for @resource and @about? (not implemented in pyRdfa:-(

Re: [RDFa TC] TC 29 and normalizing spaces of the children of an element used as a property value.

2007-09-12 Thread Shane McCarron
In XHTML xml:space is always set to preserve. See http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml-modularization-20060705/conformance.html#s_conform_user_agent production 8 Mark Birbeck wrote: Hi Fabien, I agree with you...at least I think I do, but I can't find any suitable references! I'm almost cer

Re: Issue on the latest syntax document: placement of @instanceof (Wed morning:-)

2007-09-12 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Ivan, Excellent...many thanks. Two small things: > It seems that Case 3 covers these edge cases, and works. My vote goes > for that one. The only caveat is, somewhat philosophically, that the > choice of the subject on the rdf:type triples is not necessarily the > 'inherited' subject via the

Re: Fine-tuning CURIEs (reply #2 :-)

2007-09-12 Thread Ivan Herman
Mark Birbeck wrote: > Hi Ivan, > >> I have not seen any argument (sorry about that...) that would make my >> opinion change. > > With respect, at least you have seen some arguments. > > I haven't yet seen anything that convincingly says why we should > change the parsing rules for CURIEs such

Re: Issue on the latest syntax document: placement of @instanceof (Wed morning:-)

2007-09-12 Thread Ivan Herman
Mark, (I think that there is one general conclusion of this and similar discussions we all had in the past: in any setting there are cases which lead to somewhat awkward RDFa coding.:-( Let alone the fact that what is awkward and what is not is often a personal opinion... We have to live with that

Re: Fine-tuning CURIEs (reply #2 :-)

2007-09-12 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Ivan, > I have not seen any argument (sorry about that...) that would make my > opinion change. With respect, at least you have seen some arguments. I haven't yet seen anything that convincingly says why we should change the parsing rules for CURIEs such that they are no longer a super-set o

Re: [RDFa TC] TC 29 and normalizing spaces of the children of an element used as a property value.

2007-09-12 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Fabien, I agree with you...at least I think I do, but I can't find any suitable references! I'm almost certain that leading and trailing white space in element content in XML is discarded, unless you set @xml:space="preserve". Now, that does raise an interesting question which we haven't cons

Re: Fine-tuning CURIEs (reply #2 :-)

2007-09-12 Thread Ivan Herman
Mark (Sigh...) I keep to my original opinion which was, reworded in your language: [[[ 1. Don't allow it. There is therefore no such thing as a CURIE with no colon in, and the values of 'next' and 'prev' get converted by a preprocessor to full CURIEs before processing continues. ]]] with the ad

Re: Fine-tuning CURIEs (reply #2 :-)

2007-09-12 Thread Mark Birbeck
Hi Ivan, Sorry that this is getting complicated. I'll try to explain the issue a bit better than I have! First, setting the 'anonymous prefix' to use the 'default namespace' was not intended to help the OpenID situation. The 'anonymous prefix' is just the same as in SPARQL where you can define a

RE: Fine-tuning CURIEs (reply #2 :-)

2007-09-12 Thread Pete Johnston
Ivan said: > However... regardless of what the spec says, the reality out > there is that authos _do_ use @rel/@rev with values that are > _not_ defined by XHTML. The example of openid or DC are the > obvious ones. What this also means that the _second_ scheme > you propose:-) would actually

[RDFa TC] TC 29 and normalizing spaces of the children of an element used as a property value.

2007-09-12 Thread Fabien Gandon
Hello, TC29 is the only thing preventing me to release the new transform an parser and I think it is a pity. Can anyone explain me how the children nodes of the in TC29 should be processed to pass the test ; in particular the text nodes. I currently have two options: 1 - I normalize-spac

Re: Fine-tuning CURIEs (reply #2 :-)

2007-09-12 Thread Ivan Herman
Mark, I thought about this again but, I must admit, I did not change my opinion, even reading through the thread again... I was actually a bit surprised to read, in Shane's reply[1] that [[[ XHTML prohibits the introduction of other values that are not namespace qualified into @rel / @rev (and @

Re: Procedural question on [Fwd: Re: Fine-tuning CURIEs]

2007-09-12 Thread Ivan Herman
O.k. I understand. Sorry for stirring up the mud... Ivan Mark Birbeck wrote: > Hi Ivan, > > As Shane says, this has been discussed many times. The approach we're > taking is that we'll see how it pans out, but we'll plan for as many > possibilities as possible. > > The CURIEs draft is most defi