Re: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Benjamin Good
On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Miller, Michael D (Rosetta) wrote: Hi Ben and Matt, An RDF version of the UMLS knowledge sources would be seem to be very useful - at least for bioinformatics research purposes ... What I was trying to discover was, from a purely RDF/ontology standpoint, what is

Re: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Tim Clark
I would strongly recommend using the neuroanatomy community's ontologies if at all possible. People I work with at MGH use that for doing structural morphometry, the results of which you would want to integrate with experimental results from other modalities as well as organized research

RE: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Donald Doherty
I wouldn't suggest an open neural anatomy ontology be built without the neuroscience community. Such an animal would need to be like a large open source software effort (think Linux, for example) but with both informaticists and neuroscientists rather than traditional coders. Don -Original

Re: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread kc28
For more up-to-date information about neuronames and related tools, please visit: http://braininfo.rprc.washington.edu/. While building our own open neural anatomy is one option, getting the neuroscientist (e.g., braininfo people) involved if possible may be another option (outreach to the ne

Re: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread kc28
For more up-to-date information about neuronames and related tools, please visit: http://braininfo.rprc.washington.edu/. While building our own open neural anatomy is one option, getting the neuroscientist (e.g., braininfo people) involved if possible is another option (outreach to the neuros

RE: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Donald Doherty
Matthew’s statement is a truism.   Even though I’m in private enterprise I feel the patent/copyright/etc. system is broken and a huge liability for where IP needs to go during the 21st century. Worse, the problem has been exacerbated by the Bayh-Dole Patent act.   Enough rant…   Anyon

[BIONT] Teleconference

2006-06-05 Thread Kashyap, Vipul
Phone +1 617 761 6200, conference 24668 ("BIONT") IRC irc://irc.w3.org:6665/hcls Browser-based IRC client http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc     Date and Time: 6th June, 2006, 11:00am – 12:00pm   Agenda:   -  Di

Fwd: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Matthew Cockerill
Seems like rights restrictions on standard ontologies (within UMLS for example) could be a significant hindrance to semantic web efforts.John, Daniel,I wonder if this may be an area where Science Commons (and the NCBO) can help? i.e. By encouraging the rights owners for ontologies to open them up t

Re: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Olivier Bodenreider
kei cheung wrote: Hi Olivier, Sorry, I missed part of your talk (the beginning part and the ending part) as I needed to be at other meetings. Is Neuronames (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9410576&dopt=Abstract) part of UMLS now? If so, does it

Re: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Olivier Bodenreider
As much as I was opposed to OWLizing the UMLS, I agree that it would be doable and certainly useful to RDFize it. My group at NLM is actually working on something similar as part of a larger project where we develop a repository of facts extracted from the literature, terminologies and struct

Re: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread kei cheung
Hi Olivier, Sorry, I missed part of your talk (the beginning part and the ending part) as I needed to be at other meetings. Is Neuronames (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9410576&dopt=Abstract) part of UMLS now? If so, does it make sense to conve

RE: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)
Hi Ben and Matt, > An RDF version of the > UMLS knowledge sources would be seem to be very useful - at > least for > bioinformatics research purposes ... What I was trying to discover was, from a purely RDF/ontology standpoint, what is gained without any other knowledge of UMLS? This q

Re: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Benjamin Good
Hi, I would tend to agree with Matt on this one. An RDF version of the UMLS knowledge sources would be seem to be very useful - at least for bioinformatics research purposes - without the benefits of the "correct" OWL ontology with which to describe the relationships included. Though

RE: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)
Hi All, > But presumably the relations which characterize the structure > of UMLS could be given their own URIs, no? > Along with the concepts themselves. > > And then UMLS could then be expressed in RDF, using UMLS > specific relations, rather than standard OWL relations. This, of course, wo

RE: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread matt
But presumably the relations which characterize the structure of UMLS could be given their own URIs, no? Along with the concepts themselves. And then UMLS could then be expressed in RDF, using UMLS specific relations, rather than standard OWL relations. It would then at least be URI-ified and

Re: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Olivier Bodenreider
Benjamin Good wrote: Are there any plans to release the UMLS or parts thereof as RDF / OWL ? Not to my knowledge, Ben. And I certainly would be very cautious of any attempt to doing it. The main reason is that many relations used for creating hierarchies in biomedical vocabularies are not true

Re: BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Benjamin Good
Are there any plans to release the UMLS or parts thereof as RDF / OWL ? thanks -Ben On Jun 5, 2006, at 7:44 AM, Olivier Bodenreider wrote: A PDF file with the slides of my UMLS presentation this morning is available at: http://mor.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/pres/060605-BioRDF.pdf -- Olivier Sus

RE: Use of LSID's "in the wild"

2006-06-05 Thread Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)
Hi Mark, Just to add a bit to Steve's reply... > > If the only thing that comes from the LSID spec is a notion of an > > identifier > > syntax that becomes widely adopted by bioinformatics data > providers, it > > would be a huge success, ... In the gene expression domain, best practice stat

NWeSP 2006 : Call for papers

2006-06-05 Thread Kwangcheol Shin
Call for Papers International Conference on Next generation Web Services Practices (NWeSP'06) is a forum which brings together researchers and practitioners specializing on different aspects of Web based information systems. The inaugural conference will bring together the world's most res

BioRDF [Telcon]: slides for the UMLS presentation

2006-06-05 Thread Olivier Bodenreider
A PDF file with the slides of my UMLS presentation this morning is available at: http://mor.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/pres/060605-BioRDF.pdf -- Olivier Susie Stephens wrote: Don't forget to participate in Monday's BioRDF call, as Olivier Bodenreider will be giving an overview of UMLS. Call Detai