Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-23 Thread Dan Russler
Hi Samson, We are getting closer. 1) In the reference you site..."A class is the descriptor for a set"... 2) Earlier, you stated that "semantics of a class as denoting a set of instances." I believe these two statements represent the "apples" and "oranges" you referenced: Statement 1) is

Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-23 Thread Samson Tu
Dan, We are talking apples and oranges. I am talking about the semantics of "class", of which the Observation class is an example. [1], for example, says, "A class is the descriptor for a set of objects with similar structure, behavior, and relationships." (p. 50) You are talking about a

Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-23 Thread Dan Russler
Hi Samson, Sorry for my older-style jargon... Here is the Wikipedia entry on collection/aggregation. We often called these classes "collectors" in jargon: "Aggregation Class diagram showing Aggregation between two classes Aggregation is a variant of the "has a" or association relationshi

Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-23 Thread Samson Tu
Dan, You've lost me. What is an ObservationCollectorClass? Googling the term gives only one hit, namely your message. The conceptualization of a class as denoting a set of instances is quite common. It's in UML, frame representation, and OWL. I don't understand why Observation, as a RIM class

Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-23 Thread Matt Williams
Dear All, This is meant as a friendly comment, and perhaps a comment on the need for further work. FWIW, I'm a UK based Oncology Reg. (can't translate to US terms - sorry) just coming to the end of a PhD in CS. The PhD was peripherally involved with ontologies, and I have edited OWL files by

Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-23 Thread Dan Russler
Ouch... A class of Observation does not denote a set of instances of type Observation...One uses "collector" classes to describe sets. In other words, an instance of an ObservationCollectorClass contains instances of an ObservationClass. The ObservationCollectorClass (and instances thereof) ce

Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-23 Thread Samson Tu
Yes, if we understand the semantics of a class as denoting a set of instances. Specifying WBC_Count_Observation is equivalent to defining a subset of all Observations, which is natural to think about. If we see Observation as a metaclass, then it's the set of sets of observations.The properties