RE: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-24 Thread Pat Hayes
At 3:53 PM -0700 7/24/08, Olasov, Ben wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dan Russler   Hi Samson, If "denote" = "describe" in your sentence, then I withdraw my objection. But "denote" /= "describe". These two words were intended to be, and are, used differently. Consider the

RE: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-24 Thread Olasov, Ben
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dan Russler > > Hi Samson, > > If "denote" = "describe" in your sentence, then I withdraw my objection. But "denote" /= "describe". These two words were intended to be, and are, used differently. Consider the sentence, "The matrix P contains the entries

Re: Clinical terminologies to OWL

2008-07-24 Thread John Madden
Hi Christine, EL++, which may shortly become a new 'profile' of OWL 2 that is, a sublanguage of the standard. That's really interesting to hear, and would be a very welcome development!!! I have to admit I was not aware of these effort to allow OWL 1.1 etc. to contain EL++ as a subl

Re: Clinical terminologies to OWL

2008-07-24 Thread Chimezie Ogbuji
On 7/24/08 2:22 PM, "Kashyap, Vipul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this is a great suggestion. And more interestingly, the drug ontology > mapping > work we are doing in the COI task could be a concrete use case for this > conversion. > http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInter

Re: Clinical terminologies to OWL

2008-07-24 Thread Chimezie Ogbuji
Hello John, On 7/24/08 1:35 PM, "John Madden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Chime, > > Thanks for coming up with this project task proposal relating to > conversion of legacy terminologies to OWL/RDF, it's very exciting. No problem. And BTW, I've added a Wiki for this particular task propo

Re: Clinical terminologies to OWL

2008-07-24 Thread John Madden
Jyoti, Thanks for the reference. I agree the paper makes some good points. A promising alternative to deal with legacy graph-based formalisms with hierarchies and otherwise sparse axiomatization (of which SNOMED is one example) and still provide "upward mobility" to OWL is the RDFS(FA) pro

Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-24 Thread Dan Russler
Hi Samson, If "denote" = "describe" in your sentence, then I withdraw my objection. My concern is that the term "class" as used in UML doesn't seem to mean the same thing as you are describing for a class in OWL. For instance, I don't see the same concept of "resource" in the definition of cla

Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-24 Thread Samson Tu
Dan Russler wrote: Hi Samson, We are getting closer. 1) In the reference you site..."A class is the descriptor for a set"... 2) Earlier, you stated that "semantics of a class as denoting a set of instances." I believe these two statements represent the "apples" and "orange

RE: Clinical terminologies to OWL

2008-07-24 Thread Kashyap, Vipul
> I really like your idea of picking a specific subdomain, like drug > terminology, and using that to test out the pitfalls/possibilities. > > (Actually, I think very domain-specific ontolgies have, as a > rule, the > strongest likelihood of short-term practical utility.) I think this is

Clinical terminologies to OWL

2008-07-24 Thread John Madden
Hey Chime, Thanks for coming up with this project task proposal relating to conversion of legacy terminologies to OWL/RDF, it's very exciting. I really like your idea of picking a specific subdomain, like drug terminology, and using that to test out the pitfalls/possibilities. (Actually,

HCLS IG Face-to-Face (Initial) Logistics

2008-07-24 Thread Chimezie Ogbuji
I have an outstanding action item regarding the logistics for our upcoming W3C HCLS IG Face-to-Face. It is taking place during the 2008 W3C Technical Plenary [1] in Pullman Cannes Mandelieu Royal Casino, Mandelieu, (FR). The detailed schedule is available [2]. Our time slot is: Monday 20 Octobe

RE: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-24 Thread Kashyap, Vipul
I agree with you below, except I think it's peoples' "interpretation" of the RIM that causes the confusion, e.g. "The focus of the RIM classes had primarily been structure and not semantics." Since RIM is communicated in UML, UML semantic rules apply, and one needs to be strict on the UM

Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-24 Thread Dan Russler
See below...Yes let's move on to more examples...Dan Kashyap, Vipul wrote: I agree with you below, except I think it's peoples' "interpretation" of the RIM that causes the confusion, e.g. "The focus of the RIM classes had primarily been structure and not semantics." Since RIM

Re: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-24 Thread Dan Russler
Hi Vipul, I agree with you below, except I think it's peoples' "interpretation" of the RIM that causes the confusion, e.g. "The focus of the RIM classes had primarily been structure and not semantics." Since RIM is communicated in UML, UML semantic rules apply, and one needs to be strict on t

RE: Multi-layered Knowledge Representations for Healthcare (was RE: An argument for bridging information models and ontologies at the syntactic level)

2008-07-24 Thread Kashyap, Vipul
1) In the reference you site..."A class is the descriptor for a set"... 2) Earlier, you stated that "semantics of a class as denoting a set of instances." I believe these two statements represent the "apples" and "oranges" you referenced: Statement 1) is the traditional "a class describes the

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