HCLS Telcon Reminder

2010-02-02 Thread M. Scott Marshall
Here's the reminder for Thursday's HCLS call. See http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Meetings/2010-02-04_Conference_Call for up-to-date details, snapshot pasted below. We have recently changed our HCLS call to first Thursday of the month with an emphasis on inter-task force communication, partly via t

CFP, Ontology Repositories and Editors for the Semantic Web

2010-02-02 Thread Alexander Garcia Castro
ESWC 2010 Workshop on Ontology Repositories and Editors for the Semantic Web ORES 2010 - Call for papers and system descriptions - http://www.ontologydynamics.org/od/index.php/ores2010/ Heraklion, Greece - Deadline: March 1, 2010 The growing number of online ontologies makes the availability of on

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread John Madden
For an RDF document, its meaning is quite clear. Pat Hayes explained it in http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/ . For an OWL document, it has a meaning only under certain additional conditions, described in http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-semantics/ . For an English language medical report, what it means is mo

RE: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread Solbrig, Harold R.
Similarly the Semantic Web is unbounded: anyone can say anything about anything and create different types of links between resources. (Berners Lee) -Original Message- From: andrea splendiani (RRes-Roth) [mailto:andrea.splendi...@bbsrc.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:55 AM To:

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread Oliver Ruebenacker
Hello Andrea, On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:41 AM, andrea splendiani (RRes-Roth) wrote: > What is "meaning" for you ? That's precisely what I am trying to find out. Take care Oliver -- Oliver Ruebenacker, Computational Cell Biologist Systems Biology Linker at Virtual Cell (http:/

RE: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread andrea splendiani (RRes-Roth)
Sorry, what's the AAA principle ? It seems to me ignoring is not a problem. In case, thinking that you don't ignore anything is against the SemWeb framework. Ciao, Andrea -Original Message- From: public-semweb-lifesci-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-semweb-lifesci-requ...@w3.org] On Beha

RE: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread andrea splendiani (RRes-Roth)
Hi, What is "meaning" for you ? For what comes to my mind, either you consider an explicit set of statements, and then this device will be pointless. Or you consider something that carries some information, and this rule out almost only white noise. What do you have in mind ? Ciao, Andrea

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread Rakesh Biswas
Agree with Mark. Only how I wish there was ONE physicians' ontology. Added problem is it changes rapidly with time. rakesh http://peoplesgroup.academia.edu/RakeshBiswas On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Mark Wilkinson wrote: > On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:08:38 -0800, Danny Ayers > wrote: > > Peter, I

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread John Madden
Chime, Thank you, thank you! This helps a great deal. Give me a bit to digest this pattern and try it out John On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Chimezie Ogbuji wrote: > On 2/2/10 8:25 AM, "John Madden" wrote: >> In the interim, the closest we can come to named graphs currently seems to be >>

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread Mark Wilkinson
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:08:38 -0800, Danny Ayers wrote: Peter, I agree with 99% of what you said but this bit bothers me a bit: People regularly misinterpret medical documents currently by examining them without the proper medical training. Adding superclasses etc or deleting elements as th

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread Chimezie Ogbuji
On 2/2/10 8:25 AM, "John Madden" wrote: > In the interim, the closest we can come to named graphs currently seems to be > the RDF document as a unit of communication. Most of the work in HCLS has so > far has focused on the benefits you can get from aggregation, i.e. from > specifically treating R

RE: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread Solbrig, Harold R.
The AAA principle that forms one of the underlying pillars of much of the semantic web work does not necessarily work in science and medicine. While I don't object to the ability of anyone to say whatever they want whenever they want, I reserve (and demand) the right to ignore it completely. This

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread Xiaoshu Wang
I am a little bit slow because I don't really know what is the argument? Is their essential difference between (1) A user performs an act of interpretation (2) A user executes a SPARQL query Isn't "execution of SPARQL query" an "act of interpretation"? I think so, hence I don't know what is the

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread John Madden
Chime, Agreed. Another question is whether any particular RDF representation *should* carry any authority. To take the most trivial and unproblematic case, suppose the author is just plain unskilled at rendering his meaning as triples. Maybe his RDF is junk. Maybe we should ignore it. You mi

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread Chimezie Ogbuji
On 2/2/10 8:25 AM, "John Madden" wrote: > This makes it rather difficult to use RDF in clinical care. With English > language documents, we reject those that are not signed and original (or > faithful copies of the signed original) for purposes of clinical care. But in > the SW world, there is no

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread John Madden
Oliver, Great response. I'd suggest that one component of a meaning detector would be a program that converts the English language text of the document into a set of triples (i.e. a grddl transform). However, it would not seem that this is the complete construction of the meaning detector, si

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread John Madden
>> Is this a possible scenario? Where does it fail? Is it that the SemWeb >> doesn't support any notion of an "official" graph? Is it that there is no >> such thing as an "official graph" at all (on the sem web or anywhere else)? > > It doesn't, and there isn't. The SWeb position on official is

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread Jim McCusker
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote: >     Hello, > >  When asking for a practical example, I was more concerned about the > consumer rather than the producer of data. It is easy to claim some > data has meaning, but the question is to what extend that meaning can > be appreci

Re: When does a document acquire (web) semantics?

2010-02-02 Thread Oliver Ruebenacker
Hello, When asking for a practical example, I was more concerned about the consumer rather than the producer of data. It is easy to claim some data has meaning, but the question is to what extend that meaning can be appreciated by others. Why don't we build a little meaning detector. Som

Translational Medicine Ontology Telcon

2010-02-02 Thread Susie Stephens
Here's the reminder for Thursday's Translational Medicine Ontology telcon. Cheers, Susie == Conference Details == * Date of Call: Thursday February 4 2010 * Time of Call: 12:00am - 1:00pm ET * Dial-In #: +1.617.761.6200 (Cambridge, MA) * Dial-In #: +33.4.89.06.34.99 (Nice, France) * Dial-I