RE: My task from last week: Semantic free identifiers

2011-06-23 Thread Michel_Dumontier
All I meant is that you can index the labels to do your URI substitution in writing code (axioms/queries) in some program (exact matching here). Perfectly reasonable for a selected set of orthogonal ontologies. Search/partial matches would obviously need to match other requirements. m. From: p

Re: My task from last week: Semantic free identifiers

2011-06-23 Thread Adrian Walker
Graham -- You wrote *Who cares about readability of SPARQL queries? No-one is going to be writing SPARQL queries. The tools should allow us to work at much higher levels of abstraction than queries, and then the tool spits out the right SPARQL query. The humans never see it. And those who do look

RE: In defense of meaninglessness: an ontologist's dilemma*

2011-06-23 Thread David Booth
Agreed. I think it is pretty clear that there are trade-offs between choosing identifiers that are mnemonic versus making them neutral, and different people will weigh those trade-offs differently, so there will never be full consensus on which approach is best. David On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 08:2

RE: My task from last week: Semantic free identifiers

2011-06-23 Thread Graham Matthews
> IMHO, if you're still coding the content of an information system by hand, > then you're going to introduce errors. A database curator should never assign > their own identifier - this is internal to the technology and the information > system. If you're a programmer, you should query the reso

Re: In defense of meaninglessness: an ontologist's dilemma*

2011-06-23 Thread Joanne Luciano
Was posted, and comments appreciated. Was my comment posted about English being the standard language in aviation? --- Joanne On Jun 23, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Bob Futrelle wrote: > There is a spectrum here, from black to white. A house number, 223 Main > Street, is rather opaque,, whereas "The t

Re: In defense of meaninglessness: an ontologist's dilemma*

2011-06-23 Thread Bob Futrelle
There is a spectrum here, from black to white. A house number, 223 Main Street, is rather opaque,, whereas "The third house west of the southwest corner of Main and Jones" is less opaque. A real challenge is Japan, where the house addresses are numbered in the order in which the houses were const

RE: In defense of meaninglessness: an ontologist's dilemma*

2011-06-23 Thread Michel_Dumontier
Hi Sivaram, Identifiers, whether opaque or not, hold meaning when they identify some thing (or things) - otherwise they do not serve their intended purpose. Where there is disagreement is in terms of the syntax of the identifier. Some want to incorporate language mnemonic and others use an alp

In defense of meaninglessness: an ontologist's dilemma*

2011-06-23 Thread Sivaram Arabandi, MD
The issue of meaningless identifiers has been far more controversial than imagined. After 70+ emails in the 2 threads (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2011Jun/0080.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2011Jun/0125.html), there is still

Fwd: 2nd CFP: ISWC'11 workshop on Ontology Matching (OM-2011)

2011-06-23 Thread Joanne Luciano (gmail)
FYI -- some things we may find useful from this and previous workshops -- esp if we follow michel's thought about tool development Begin forwarded message: > Resent-From: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org > From: "Pavel Shvaiko" > Date: June 22, 2011 3:26:50 PM EDT > To: > Subject: 2nd CFP: ISWC'11

Re: My task from last week: Semantic free identifiers

2011-06-23 Thread Joanne Luciano (gmail)
Nice presentation Adrian. On Jun 21, 2011, at 7:26 AM, Adrian Walker wrote: > Oops... Bad link correction: > > Slides 51-52 of > www.reengineeringllc.com/Internet_Business_Logic_e-Government_Presentation.pdf > > Apologies, -- Adrian > > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Adrian Walker >

Re: My task from last week: Semantic free identifiers

2011-06-23 Thread Joanne Luciano (gmail)
I'm jumping in here mid stream, with a back log of emails unread, but just wanted to bring in something to think about, from another discipline. Aviation. English is the standard language world wide. And this helps keep air traffic safe (there are language issues and there are incidences, but