Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-08-22 Thread Marja Koivunen
I agree, consistent use of terms makes life easier for machines and for humans too when the terms have been agreed on, learned, and understood. Unfortunately, this takes a lot of effort and dedication from the humans. Learning a whole ontology before anything can be done is a bit like reading

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-08-21 Thread Adrian Walker
Tim -- At 10:54 AM 8/21/2006 -0400, you wrote: Machine processing of information relies on consistent usage of terms. You can't reuse information for new problems when its use requires human intervention to disambiguate it. But, perhaps ontologies can help in mapping various human usages

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-08-21 Thread Tim Berners-Lee
Yes, indeed. Machine processing of information relies on consistent usage of terms. You can't reuse information for new problems when its use requires human intervention to disambiguate it. Tim Berners-Lee On Aug 10, 2006, at 21:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting "Miller, Michael D (Ro

RE: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-08-11 Thread Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)
2006 6:55 PM > To: Miller, Michael D (Rosetta) > Cc: Alan Ruttenberg; Mark Wilkinson; > public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the > SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK) > > > Quoting "Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)&quo

RE: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-08-10 Thread wangxiao
Quoting "Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: You're correct here but it is the state of the art. Interestingly enough, I've found that in general the biology-based scientists and investigators are not all that bothered by this confusion and despite the confusion seem to make thei

RE: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-08-10 Thread Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)
Alan Ruttenberg > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:08 PM > To: Mark Wilkinson > Cc: Alan Ruttenberg; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Martin; Henry S. Thompson; > Phillip Lord; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dan Connolly > Subject: Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-07-31 Thread Sean Martin
Mark wrote exactly what I would have (thanks :)  Note the version information in an LSID is optional but encouraged when appropriate. Mark describes one common scenario, where one uses an LSID (or http URI) as a "concept" (meta-data only) that in turn has LSID URIs that name actual bytes represent

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-07-30 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
Excellent response! I 95% heartedly agree (all but the "I stand by LSIDS part" :) I will note however that whenever there are versions of something, there tends to some concept of the thing that they are versions of. So even though there are versions of the sequence, there ought to stil

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-07-30 Thread Mark Wilkinson
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:46:21 -0700, Alan Ruttenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One of the things that I have has a concern over with LSIDs is what to do with versioned identifiers. Sometimes it is important to have the version - like when you are doing some sequence based analysis and y

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-07-30 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Jul 28, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Alan Ruttenberg wrote: 3. The paper doesn't mention qualifiers, but the current version of the specification does. We should perhaps agree on some conventions on the form of qualifiers so that we can use them to represent versions, where appropriate. BTW, so

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-07-28 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
In looking at ARK and comparing to LSID, I see the following issues: 1. We need some mechanism to globally assert that things like http://foobar.zaf.org/ark:/12025/654xz321 http://sneezy.dopey.com/ark:/12025/654xz321 ark:/12025/654xz321 are all the same thing. From an OWL DL perspective this i

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices (ARK)

2006-07-28 Thread Dan Connolly
On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 18:01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sean Martin writes: > > > This is a great paper. Many thanks for pointing to it. I wish I had > > known of it earlier. http://www.cdlib.org/inside/diglib/ark/arkcdl.pdf Yes, that is interesting. Where did you find it, Henry? hmm...

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices

2006-07-26 Thread Sean Martin
> You may well be correct in your thinking that a similar approach > offers a good compromise. In fact to my mind it may actually leave > everyone with something that is significantly stronger than what we > have currently and the fact is that the software required to support > it already exist

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices

2006-07-26 Thread noah_mendelsohn
08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henry S. Thompson), Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], (bcc: Noah Mendelsohn/Cambridge/IBM) Subject: Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices

2006-07-26 Thread Carole Goble
Sean My feeling is that this suggestion is far more likely to succeed than the second one. The reason for this is that there is no real "center" to the Life Sciences (there are actually many and they don't always get on!) - and consequently there might be significant difficulty in establishin

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices

2006-07-26 Thread Sean Martin
Hello Henry, >   HST> With respect to the upcoming W3C Semantic Web Health Care and >   HST> Life Sciences Interest Group f2f discussion of LSIDs, I wonder >   HST> if you might think seriously about adopting an approach similar >   HST> to that used by the ARK (Archival Resource Key) naming sche

Re: A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices

2006-07-26 Thread Phillip Lord
> "HST" == Henry S Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: HST> With respect to the upcoming W3C Semantic Web Health Care and HST> Life Sciences Interest Group f2f discussion of LSIDs, I wonder HST> if you might think seriously about adopting an approach similar HST> to that used by the

A precedent suggesting a compromise for the SWHCLS IG Best Practices

2006-07-26 Thread Henry S. Thompson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 With respect to the upcoming W3C Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group f2f discussion of LSIDs, I wonder if you might think seriously about adopting an approach similar to that used by the ARK (Archival Resource Key) naming scheme