Re: IDs + 5; everybody - 10

2007-07-19 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
Well if we are going to change that, what's the limit on change? What do we need to keep to retain the essential "LSID"ness ? -Alan On Jul 18, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Phillip Lord wrote: The LSID protocol defines a protocol for resolving LSIDs some of which uses web services. If it were a brin

Re: IDs + 5; everybody - 10

2007-07-19 Thread Phillip Lord
> "JR" == Jonathan Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JR> Well, to do a fair comparison of LSID URIs and HTTP URIs, you would have JR> to take all the features you need, see how to best implement them in JR> both contexts, and then make an overall assessment. JR> What is your worry,

Re: IDs + 5; everybody - 10

2007-07-19 Thread Phillip Lord
The LSID protocol defines a protocol for resolving LSIDs some of which uses web services. If it were a bring problem, the WS definition of this API could be replaced with something else, such as REST. This is true with any API specification. In this case, the LSID API is not that complex, so th

Re: IDs + 5; everybody - 10

2007-07-17 Thread Jonathan Rees
Well, to do a fair comparison of LSID URIs and HTTP URIs, you would have to take all the features you need, see how to best implement them in both contexts, and then make an overall assessment. I think I can see now how to replicate the features I've heard stated as good about LSIDs using a usefu

Re: IDs + 5; everybody - 10

2007-07-16 Thread Phillip Lord
My apologies. I wasn't sure, which is why I asked. I just found your idea of reproducing LSIDs advantages (and implicitly DOI) in http a little worrying. I may have misread your email. Phi > "JR" == Jonathan Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JR> I never said LSID or DOIs shouldn't be

Re: IDs + 5; everybody - 10

2007-07-16 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
I'm intrigued by this remark. Phil, would it be possible to sketch out how one could graft REST style services into LSID space? -Alan On Jul 16, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Phillip Lord wrote: The LSID use of web services should not really be seen as a problem. Push comes to shove, even this part c

Re: IDs + 5; everybody - 10

2007-07-16 Thread Jonathan Rees
I never said LSID or DOIs shouldn't be used, and I don't see how my message can be construed as saying this. I'm trying to be fair to all solutions by talking about real technical requirements. If the W3C HCLS SIG wants to recommend the use - even minting - of LSIDs, that's fine with me. But I do

Re: IDs + 5; everybody - 10

2007-07-16 Thread Phillip Lord
> "JR" == Jonathan Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JR> It may look like unnecessary replication, but it's not really, since JR> we're already committed to the http: space and all the issues that LSID JR> addressed are issues there as well. JR> The same remarks apply to handles, DOIs

Re: IDs + 5; everybody - 10

2007-07-16 Thread Jonathan Rees
Let me try to review what's going on here, since Mark W and others have reasonably asked why we're putting so much effort into the URI question. The W3C HCLS SIG was created according to a charter [1] that specifes that the "The Interest Group will provide guideline[s] on how best to identify HC

IDs + 5; everybody - 10

2007-07-16 Thread Phillip Lord
> "Mark" == Mark Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mark> WSDL is a widely accepted W3C spec that is becoming increasingly accepted Mark> worldwide (and is, generally, automatically generated based on your Mark> interface, so requires little or no manual construction), and which so