RE: [BIORDF] Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-23 Thread matt
t: Re: [BIORDF] Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and > patient records in RDF/OWL?) > > > > To follow up on this, do you think it would be possible to create a > generic GRDDL transformation that would extract information from any > well-structured XHTML table, using

Re: [BIORDF] Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-23 Thread Alf Eaton
To follow up on this, do you think it would be possible to create a generic GRDDL transformation that would extract information from any well-structured XHTML table, using the scoped row and column headers? alf. On 19 Feb 2006, at 15:07, Alf Eaton wrote: I've been trying to decide on

RE: [BIORDF] Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-20 Thread Mork, Peter D.S.
>As part of a semantic web for data integration experiment(submitted for >publishing), I adapted/hacked the Mapper program[1] to convert tabular >data from a web source (ENCODE at UCSC, in csv format) to (our) RDF >format ala YeastHub. Mapper can read from several common formats and >database conn

Re: [BIORDF] Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-20 Thread M. Scott Marshall
YeastHub (http://yeasthub.gersteinlab.org) provides an interactive web interface to allow the user to register and map a web-accessible tabular dataset into RDF/XML. If needed, we can turn this interactive interface into a programmatic one to allow broader use. As part of a semantic web for

RE: [BIORDF] Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-20 Thread Mork, Peter D.S.
>Using RDF, one obvious graph model is to make each cell a bnode of some >type (e.g., "gene expression measurement"), and link it to one column node >and one row node. The result is not directly a list of lists, but a unique >projection mapping of two ordinate nodes: a web of cells to be exact. >

Re: [BIORDF] Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-19 Thread kc28
Hi, I found the following link interesting, as it describes several ways of mapping a table to RDF: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/reports/scalable_rdbms_mapping_report/#sec-mapping YeastHub (http://yeasthub.gersteinlab.org) provides an interactive web interface to allow the user to regis

Re: [BIORDF] Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-19 Thread Eric Neumann
in an immediate > >>> sense, with a demonstration of how to generate > RDF > >> from an Excel > >>> spreadsheet. I think I'll just start saying > >> "Excel spreadsheet" and > >>> forget about the term that we use internally to

Re: [BIORDF] Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-19 Thread Alf Eaton
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Cavnor Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:54 PM To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org Subject: Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?) I'd argue that most information resources are indeed semi-structur

RE: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-15 Thread Miller, Michael D (Rosetta)
ary 14, 2006 1:54 PM > To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org > Subject: Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and > patient records in RDF/OWL?) > > > > I'd argue that most information resources are indeed > semi-structured. The > human brain is only able to meta

RE: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-15 Thread Phillip Lord
Matthew Cockerill wrote: > I couldn't agree more. > > Spreadsheets (and equivalently, CSV files) are a large fraction of > the 'additional datafiles' that BioMed Central receives from authors. > > What would be great would be to be able to define some simple > standards and/or templates which au

Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-14 Thread Sean Martin
  > Spreadsheets (and equivalently, CSV files) are a large fraction of   > the 'additional datafiles' that BioMed Central receives from authors. > > What would be great would be to be able to define some simple   > standards and/or templates which authors could follow in their   > spreadsheets,

Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-14 Thread Matthew Cockerill
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Cavnor Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:54 PM To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org Subject: Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?) I'd argue that most information resources are indee

RE: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-14 Thread Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler)
, February 14, 2006 3:54 PM To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org Subject: Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?) I'd argue that most information resources are indeed semi-structured. The human brain is only able to meta-categorize resources based on its struct

Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-14 Thread Christopher Cavnor
is is the first I have heard the term used in > that sense, but maybe I just don't run in the right circles. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Hendler > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:43 PM > To: Pat Haye

RE: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-14 Thread Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler)
ng Cc: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org Subject: Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?) At 14:46 -0600 2/13/06, Pat Hayes wrote: >> >>The point I'm trying to make is this: The concept of "structuredness" >>is relative and context-sensi

RE: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-14 Thread Xiaoshu Wang
> >The point I'm trying to make is this: The concept of > "structuredness" > >is relative and context-sensitive. I don't think anyone will doubt the definition of "structured or not" is not relative and context-sensitive. When I first raise my "confusion" (not "objection") over Davide's "unst

Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-13 Thread Wafik Farag
At 14:46 -0600 2/13/06, Pat Hayes wrote: The point I'm trying to make is this: The concept of "structuredness" is relative and context-sensitive. Hear, hear. Well said. Pat Hayes I second that. Yong revived an important point. In the SW October meeting a year+ ago the importance of

Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-13 Thread Pat Hayes
At 14:46 -0600 2/13/06, Pat Hayes wrote: The point I'm trying to make is this: The concept of "structuredness" is relative and context-sensitive. Hear, hear. Well said. Pat Hayes FWIW, Structured, unstructured and semi-structured, although non-precise concepts in common language and (

Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-13 Thread Jim Hendler
At 14:46 -0600 2/13/06, Pat Hayes wrote: The point I'm trying to make is this: The concept of "structuredness" is relative and context-sensitive. Hear, hear. Well said. Pat Hayes FWIW, Structured, unstructured and semi-structured, although non-precise concepts in common language and (es

Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-13 Thread Pat Hayes
The point I'm trying to make is this: The concept of "structuredness" is relative and context-sensitive. Hear, hear. Well said. Pat Hayes -- - IHMC(850)434 8903 or (650)494 3973 home 40 South Alcaniz St.

RE: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-13 Thread Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler)
Welll ... Maybe. I see your point, but I think nonetheless that there are some important distinctions to be made within what you are calling non-RDF. On one extreme one has highly structured data in relational databases. One key here is that the data definitions are contained in machine readabl

Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-10 Thread John Madden
o. Davide -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Madden Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:26 PM To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org Subject: Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?) This discussion is fine, but le

RE: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-10 Thread Davide Zaccagnini
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Madden Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:26 PM To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org Subject: Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?) This discussion is fine, but let me bring this back to GRDDL

Re: Unstructured vs. Structured (was: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?)

2006-02-10 Thread John Madden
This discussion is fine, but let me bring this back to GRDDL. GRDDL could be used to specify ways of generating RDF from many kinds of XML documents. The documents could be data-oriented XML, or text- oriented XML, or even (I think this is accurate, Eric?) could be documents with very spars