Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-26 Thread Gokce Banu Laleci Erturkmen
Dear All, One of my colleagues has pointed out this discussion, and I am following the discussion with great interest. Unfortunately it seems we missed the meeting, however I read the minutes and the related discussions. In an FP7 Project named SALUS [1] , we are addressing very similar prob

Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-22 Thread Renato Iannella
On 22 Aug 2012, at 02:07, Mead, Charlie (NIH/NCI) [C] wrote: > As we dug a bit deeply into this issue and figured out how to define these > mappings in OWL and make them available at run-time as RDF, it became clear > that being able to publish -- or at least have the publishable form be > ac

Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-22 Thread Prabhu Shankar
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Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-22 Thread Peter . Hendler
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Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-22 Thread Adrian Walker
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Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-22 Thread Conor Dowling
servables, > Procedures" so those pre existing SNOMED hierarchies are in general "what" > things. > > > > * > NOTICE TO RECIPIENT:* If you are not the intended recipient of this > e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or

Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-22 Thread Peter . Hendler
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Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-22 Thread Conor Dowling
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Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-22 Thread Peter . Hendler
, public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org, ratnesh.sa...@deri.org Subject Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach apologies if this is a tangent but why is what's identified as "extensional" particular to health-care? "Who" said/observed/found/acte

RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-22 Thread Sahay, Ratnesh
Mead, Charlie (NIH/NCI) [C]; mscottmarsh...@gmail.com; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; ratnesh.sa...@deri.org Subject: Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach apologies if this is a tangent but why is what's identified as "extensional" particular to health-ca

RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-22 Thread Mead, Charlie (NIH/NCI) [C]
l.com; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; ratnesh.sa...@deri.org Subject: Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach apologies if this is a tangent but why is what's identified as "extensional" particular to health-care? "Who" said/observed/found/

Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Conor Dowling
apologies if this is a tangent but why is what's identified as "extensional" particular to health-care? "Who" said/observed/found/acted "What", "When" and "Where" is surely a general notion. Does it need a health-care model or ontology? Yes, particular findings or observations or procedures can be

Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread David Booth
On Tue, 2012-08-21 at 15:11 -0700, peter.hend...@kp.org wrote: > [ . . . ] Can you use RDF in a closed world way when ever you want, > or is it only safe when the model you're dealing with, like FHIR, > really is known to be closed world? > I think so, provided that you understand that you are m

Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Peter . Hendler
..@mcrf.mfldclin.edu, mea...@mail.nih.gov, public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org, ratnesh.sa...@deri.org Subject Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach Hi Peter, Very nice observations! I wholeheartedly agree with your basic thesis, but I would quibble with one o

Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread David Booth
Hi Peter, Very nice observations! I wholeheartedly agree with your basic thesis, but I would quibble with one off-hand remark . . . On Tue, 2012-08-21 at 08:47 -0700, peter.hend...@kp.org wrote: > Sorry I didn't make the meeting but just looked at the minutes. > > We (Kaiser) do use the Ontol

Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Peter . Hendler
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Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Kathrin Dentler
Hi Peter, Just my two cents: Having read your white paper, I find your separation into the "What", i.e. the terminological model (intensional), and the "When, Who, Where, Why", i.e. the context/information model (extensional), very useful and intuitive. In y

RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Peter . Hendler
rstin.l.forsb...@gmail.com" , "linmd.si...@mcrf.mfldclin.edu" , "mscottmarsh...@gmail.com" , "public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org" , "ratnesh.sa...@deri.org" Subject RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Mead, Charlie (NIH/NCI) [C]
forsb...@gmail.com; linmd.si...@mcrf.mfldclin.edu; mscottmarsh...@gmail.com; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; ratnesh.sa...@deri.org Subject: RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach Actually design-time and run-time is even better than what I said. Let's use t

RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Peter . Hendler
uot; , "linmd.si...@mcrf.mfldclin.edu" , "mscottmarsh...@gmail.com" , "public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org" , "ratnesh.sa...@deri.org" Subject RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach Hi Peter -- Agree --and I think I un

RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Mead, Charlie (NIH/NCI) [C]
emweb-lifesci@w3.org; ratnesh.sa...@deri.org Subject: RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach We are in fact talking about two different things. If you are talking about how to more easily create new FHIR resources, and to assure their correct mapping to the RIM th

RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Sahay, Ratnesh
in.l.forsb...@gmail.com; linmd.si...@mcrf.mfldclin.edu; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; Sahay, Ratnesh; Eric Prud'hommeaux Subject: RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach Hi Peter -- I haven't read the notes of today's discussion, but since I was the one that su

RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Peter . Hendler
t; , "linmd.si...@mcrf.mfldclin.edu" , "public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org" , "ratnesh.sa...@deri.org" , "Eric Prud'hommeaux" Subject RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach Hi Peter -- I haven't read the notes of toda

RE: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Mead, Charlie (NIH/NCI) [C]
d.si...@mcrf.mfldclin.edu; Mead, Charlie (NIH/NCI) [C]; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; ratnesh.sa...@deri.org Subject: Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach Sorry I didn't make the meeting but just looked at the minutes. We (Kaiser) do use the Ontology feature

Re: seeks input on Study Data Exchange Standards An alternative approach

2012-08-21 Thread Peter . Hendler
Sorry I didn't make the meeting but just looked at the minutes. We (Kaiser) do use the Ontology features of SNOMED extensively and have a different take on how it should be done. Specifically we would not advocate for example, putting FHIR in RDF or OWL. What we've fount to be simple, useful,