Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-11 Thread AJ Chen
Tim, I’m aware of the SWAN project, which is very inspirational. The knowledge lifecycle task force you proposed is also very visionary.  With your experience and leadership in this area, I’m looking forward to your guidance or suggestion as to how we can initiate a task within the HCLS task f

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-10 Thread Tim Clark
AJThere isn't such a tool to my knowledge.  However you might like to look at what we're doing with SWAN, which encompasses exactly what you propose.  We have focused on Alzheimer Research for pragmatic reasons and because we believe in working with the domain scientists close to us. We also believ

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-10 Thread Tim Clark
Larry & Group I personally see the key elements here as placement of data publication in semantic relationship to *all the other elements of the knowledge lifecycle*, and supporting use cases that scientists would actually use, rather than semantic structure of the published data itself.

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread AJ Chen
Hi Tim, Thanks. I thought you would understand exactly I'm talking about because my proposed task is for the task force you had proposed. You gave a grant picture, and my intention is to have a specific, well-defined task to get the ball rolling. I'm hoping someone else will also see the value of t

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread AJ Chen
I appreciate all the comments. Let me first make myself clear so that I won't get beaten up again! I'm trying to solve a specific problem or unmet need here. When I don't see a satisfactory solution, I make a proposal. If the feedback says there is a good solution existed already, then my job is

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread Susanna
Larry Hunter wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 22:53 -0700, AJ Chen wrote: Proposed task: Distributed self-publishing of experiments 1. Ontology for publishing projects and experiments. There are some domain-specific ontologies, such as microarray e

Re: [rdf] Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread Mark Wilkinson
My favorite quote was "being the first is important, being the best is irrelevant" (Karp) Such is life... M On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 16:28 -0400, Eric Neumann wrote: > Ahh, I stand corrected, and probably was confused with the Mark - Larry > role switching > > Somewhere there was even menti

Re: [rdf] Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread Eric Neumann
Ahh, I stand corrected, and probably was confused with the Mark - Larry role switching Somewhere there was even mention of Thomas Jefferson as well... Eric On May 9, 2006, at 3:19 PM, Mark Wilkinson wrote: Indeed - my notes say that it was Mark Musen who was advocating to "let 1000 flo

Re: [rdf] Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread Mark Wilkinson
Indeed - my notes say that it was Mark Musen who was advocating to "let 1000 flowers bloom" :-) while Larry was taking the more conservative track... M On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 13:14 -0600, Larry Hunter wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 14:53 -0400, Eric Neumann wrote: > > > I seem to remember at an

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread Larry Hunter
On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 14:53 -0400, Eric Neumann wrote: > I seem to remember at an Ontology panel at ISMB last year in Detroit > you were advocating the Anarchists approach to ontologies ; ) You misremember! I started off by saying how this was going to be the first time in my entire life t

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread Eric Neumann
Hmmm I seem to remember at an Ontology panel at ISMB last year in Detroit you were advocating the Anarchists approach to ontologies ; ) Eric --- Larry Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 13:48 -0400, Tim Clark wrote: > > > I would also claim that data is *not

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread Larry Hunter
On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 13:48 -0400, Tim Clark wrote: > I would also claim that data is *not useful* unless linked to and > explicated by a publication by those who derived it. You know: > "Hypothesis", "Materials and Methods", "Interpretation", etc. all the > stuff you find in peer-reviewed

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread Larry Hunter
On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 22:53 -0700, AJ Chen wrote: > Proposed task: Distributed self-publishing of experiments > 1. Ontology for publishing projects and experiments. There are > some domain-specific ontologies, such as microarray experiment > ontology, already existed today.

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread Tim Clark
I think that any system to allow self-publishing of data would need to be developed in concert with actual working scientists and subject entirely to their needs and concerns, i.e. their use cases. So on that basis it may be presuming too much to suggest as Matthias does that simply aggr

Re: Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-09 Thread Matthias Samwald
> Deliverables: > Ontology   for publishing projects and experiments.    There are > some domain-specific ontologies, such as microarray   experiment > ontology, already existed today.  This task is intended to develop > a   general purpose ontology for describing projects and > experiments in su

Task proposal: Distributed self-publishing of experiments

2006-05-08 Thread AJ Chen
I'm very excited about the vision described in the Knowledge Cycle task force. It's my believe that the semantic web technologies will eventually empower individual researchers to share and exchange research information in new way that was not possible before. I would like to propose a specific t