Re: The Open world assumption shoe does not always fit - was: RE: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Ontolog invited speaker session - Dr. Mark Greaves on the Halo Project - Thu 2008.06.19

2008-06-27 Thread Xiaoshu Wang
Pat Hayes wrote: At 6:31 PM -0400 6/26/08, Ogbuji, Chimezie wrote: Hey, Pat. Comments below > I would disagree about this case being the exception. >Negation as failure can be validly used to infer from a >failure if the data is controlled (which is especially the >case with

Re: The Open world assumption shoe does not always fit - was: RE: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Ontolog invited speaker session - Dr. Mark Greaves on the Halo Project - Thu 2008.06.19

2008-06-27 Thread John F. Sowa
Adrian and Toby, Some comments: TC> Date had it right. NULL is neither true nor false. Yes, and he made some recommendations that can be applied to any logic-based notation. One of them is to introduce special constants or relations to handle various kinds of nonmonotonic issues, and then wr

Re: The Open world assumption shoe does not always fit - was: RE: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Ontolog invited speaker session - Dr. Mark Greaves on the Halo Project - Thu 2008.06.19

2008-06-27 Thread Adrian Walker
Pat, John, Chimeze and all -- Illuminating discussion. Two points: 1. If you move to from SQL-like NAF reasoning, to full FOL with closure statements at the meta level, you may also be moving from low order polynomial computational complexity to exponential, or even into the undecidable region.

Re: The Open world assumption shoe does not always fit - was: RE: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Ontolog invited speaker session - Dr. Mark Greaves on the Halo Project - Thu 2008.06.19

2008-06-26 Thread John F. Sowa
Folks, I'd just like to summarize a few points, which reinforce the claim I made earlier: There is an open-ended number of different variations of nonmonotonic logic, and it's impossible to adopt a one-size-fits-all solution for nonmonotonic logic. To paraphrase Tolstoy, every happy logic (i.e

Re: The Open world assumption shoe does not always fit - was: RE: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Ontolog invited speaker session - Dr. Mark Greaves on the Halo Project - Thu 2008.06.19

2008-06-26 Thread Pat Hayes
At 10:35 PM -0400 6/26/08, Bob Futrelle wrote: If I have a database of *all* employees in a company and a query for a person returns nothing, then that failure allows me to assert that that person is not an employee. As long as you know that the database has that all-encompassing quality, yes.

Re: The Open world assumption shoe does not always fit - was: RE: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Ontolog invited speaker session - Dr. Mark Greaves on the Halo Project - Thu 2008.06.19

2008-06-26 Thread Bob Futrelle
If I have a database of *all* employees in a company and a query for a person returns nothing, then that failure allows me to assert that that person is not an employee. It's a matter of deciding what your universe of discourse is, is it not? - Bob Futrelle

Re: The Open world assumption shoe does not always fit - was: RE: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Ontolog invited speaker session - Dr. Mark Greaves on the Halo Project - Thu 2008.06.19

2008-06-26 Thread Pat Hayes
At 6:31 PM -0400 6/26/08, Ogbuji, Chimezie wrote: Hey, Pat. Comments below > I would disagree about this case being the exception. Negation as failure can be validly used to infer from a failure if the data is controlled (which is especially the case with well-designed experiments where it w

The Open world assumption shoe does not always fit - was: RE: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Ontolog invited speaker session - Dr. Mark Greaves on the Halo Project - Thu 2008.06.19

2008-06-26 Thread Ogbuji, Chimezie
Hey, Pat. Comments below > I would disagree about this case being the exception. >Negation as failure can be validly used to infer from a >failure if the data is controlled (which is especially the >case with well-designed experiments where it would be >irresponsible to to do