Re: Web IDL Garden Hose

2009-09-28 Thread Yehuda Katz
It would be pretty nice if the language bindings of WebIDL were available in pure ES, where possible. To some degree, that is not currently possible (in ES3), but it will be a lot better in ES5. I think it might actually be possible to get a large degree of completion just using the JavaScript avai

Re: Web IDL Garden Hose

2009-09-28 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote: -Original Message- From: es-discuss-boun...@mozilla.org [mailto:es-discuss- boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Robin Berjon There is no old version. Right, this is v1. What previous W3C API specifications had relied on was either

Re: WebIDL: how to address the various audiences and constraints?

2009-09-28 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:40 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote: Hi All, Wow! The amount of email on Web IDL over the last few days has been amazing! I am wondering out loud here if it would make sense to split up the Web IDL spec? For example, a functional split e.g. the IDL in one doc, ES 3/5 bind

Re: Web IDL Garden Hose (was: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination)

2009-09-28 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Sep 28, 2009, at 2:06 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: On Sep 28, 2009, at 01:19 , Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: If at all possible I'd rather it went to LC ASAP, and if needed that new stuff be done in a branched document. Based on the conversation s

New Scripting Coordination List Set Up

2009-09-28 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Folks- I've now created the scripting coordination list. It was suggested that the name "public-scripting" would be too likely to invite off-topic posts from people with script-authoring questions, so we struck a compromise between descriptiveness and discoverability versus length. Thus,

RE: Web IDL Garden Hose

2009-09-28 Thread Allen Wirfs-Brock
>-Original Message- >From: es-discuss-boun...@mozilla.org [mailto:es-discuss- >boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Robin Berjon >> >> There is no old version. > >Right, this is v1. What previous W3C API specifications had relied on >was either OMG IDL, or the common lore understanding that pe

Re: [XHR2] Upload progress events and simple cross-origin requests

2009-09-28 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > Any update on this Jonas? > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:21:17 +0100, Alexey Proskuryakov > wrote: >> >> 20.03.2009, в 1:52, Jonas Sicking написал(а): >> >>> I don't know how easy it is with current technologies to do this >>> reliably. Or h

Re: Web IDL Garden Hose

2009-09-28 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 28, 2009, at 17:23 , Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:20:27 +0200, Mark S. Miller wrote: Good point. I was indeed thinking only of HTML5. Other things being equal, it would seem the best way for these other projects to avoid blocking on WebIDL would be for them to rely

Re: [selectors-api] Summary of Feature Requests for v2

2009-09-28 Thread Garrett Smith
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > Garrett Smith wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Lachlan Hunt >>  wrote: >>> >>> And overload the querySelector() and querySelectorAll() methods to also >>> accept a Selector object as the selector parameter. >>> >>> createSelector

Re: Web IDL Garden Hose

2009-09-28 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:20:27 +0200, Mark S. Miller wrote: Good point. I was indeed thinking only of HTML5. Other things being equal, it would seem the best way for these other projects to avoid blocking on WebIDL would be for them to rely only on the previous version of WebIDL. Of course,

Re: Web IDL Garden Hose (was: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination)

2009-09-28 Thread Mark S. Miller
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: > > I'm not sure what you're getting at here. WebIDL isn't just for HTML5, it's > used throughout WebApps and DAP, and by a number of other groups as well, > which have deliverables at various levels of completion. By depending on > WebIDL, a l

Re: [widgets] Closing widget Interface issues

2009-09-28 Thread Scott Wilson
#1 & #2 are the same issue; we haven't reached consensus yet, though as Marcos says in his response on #1, we are in agreement over what we are trying to achieve with this part of the spec - we just need to figure out which of the two approaches to take. My preference is to replace "origin

Re: RFC: WebApp Timing (Rnd 2)

2009-09-28 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:17:06 +0200, Zhiheng Wang wrote: Updated to incorporate the feedbacks. (Sorry for the long pause. I've been in absence for the past couple weeks.) 1) the window.pageTiming attribute should be available for each browsing context, not only the top-level one. You need

Re: WebIDL: how to address the various audiences and constraints?

2009-09-28 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:40:20 +0200, Arthur Barstow wrote: Wow! The amount of email on Web IDL over the last few days has been amazing! I am wondering out loud here if it would make sense to split up the Web IDL spec? For example, a functional split e.g. the IDL in one doc, ES 3/5 binding

Re: WebIDL: how to address the various audiences and constraints?

2009-09-28 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Art, On Sep 28, 2009, at 14:40 , Arthur Barstow wrote: I am wondering out loud here if it would make sense to split up the Web IDL spec? For example, a functional split e.g. the IDL in one doc, ES 3/5 bindings in a separate doc, Java bindings in a separate doc, etc. Or a core/non-core (e

WebIDL: how to address the various audiences and constraints?

2009-09-28 Thread Arthur Barstow
Hi All, Wow! The amount of email on Web IDL over the last few days has been amazing! I am wondering out loud here if it would make sense to split up the Web IDL spec? For example, a functional split e.g. the IDL in one doc, ES 3/5 bindings in a separate doc, Java bindings in a separate

Re: [XHR2] Upload progress events and simple cross-origin requests

2009-09-28 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Any update on this Jonas? On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:21:17 +0100, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote: 20.03.2009, в 1:52, Jonas Sicking написал(а): I don't know how easy it is with current technologies to do this reliably. Or how big chances are that we can fix those technologies in the future to not wo

[widgets] Closing widget Interface issues

2009-09-28 Thread Arthur Barstow
All, In case you did not know, Scott is now a member of WebApps. Welcome Scott! I'd like to understand the status of the "The widget Interface" (TWI) [TWI] spec and what, if any, issues are still open? I've noted these two exchanges from Scott and Marcos and I don't see consensus: 1.

Re: [selectors-api] Summary of Feature Requests for v2

2009-09-28 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Garrett Smith wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: And overload the querySelector() and querySelectorAll() methods to also accept a Selector object as the selector parameter. createSelector would allow the browser to parse and compile the selector and store it, much like

Re: Web IDL Garden Hose (was: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination)

2009-09-28 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 27, 2009, at 21:44 , Mark S. Miller wrote: On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: I would tend to be rather in disfavour of anything that might cause WebIDL to be delayed in any way. I also think that keeping the ES3 binding is useful (in the short term at least) if on

Re: Web IDL Garden Hose (was: ECMA TC 39 / W3C HTML and WebApps WG coordination)

2009-09-28 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 28, 2009, at 01:19 , Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Robin Berjon wrote: If at all possible I'd rather it went to LC ASAP, and if needed that new stuff be done in a branched document. Based on the conversation so far, I expect Web IDL in roughly its current sta

Re: WebIDL

2009-09-28 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 26, 2009, at 08:43 , Yehuda Katz wrote: Do we disagree that it is a worthy goal to have a specification that can be understood without having to take a while? I certainly understand the utility in using something with precedent like IDL (for implementors). It is a worthy goal, but it won