[Bug 10337] add [Supplemental] support

2011-06-20 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10337 Cameron McCormack c...@mcc.id.au changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED

Re: [widgets] WARP usability issue

2011-06-20 Thread Robin Berjon
Hey, never too late to jump in I guess! On May 12, 2011, at 14:54 , Marcos Caceres wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:43 PM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't think relaxing the syntax is the right path forward. I'm ok with leaving it as is... but I guess we will have to see

Re: [widgets] WARP and redirects

2011-06-20 Thread Robin Berjon
On Jun 2, 2011, at 09:53 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Consider this scenario: the widget requests access to www.google.com. On a local level google redirects to .pl or co.in . With WARP, if we checked redirects the local google page would be blocked. It would be impossible for any developer to take

Re: [widgets] WARP usability issue

2011-06-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Robin Berjon robin.ber...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, never too late to jump in I guess! On May 12, 2011, at 14:54 , Marcos Caceres wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:43 PM, timeless timel...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't think relaxing the syntax is the right path

Re: [widgets] WARP and redirects

2011-06-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Robin Berjon robin.ber...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 09:53 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Consider this scenario: the widget requests access to www.google.com. On a local level google redirects to .pl or co.in . With WARP, if we checked redirects the local

Re: [widgets] WARP and redirects

2011-06-20 Thread Robin Berjon
On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:23 , Marcos Caceres wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Robin Berjon robin.ber...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 09:53 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Consider this scenario: the widget requests access to www.google.com. On a local level google redirects to .pl or

RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Arthur Barstow
Hi All, Despite Web Storage bug 12111 now having a fix [1], the elephant in the room [2] for this spec is still the mutex issue encapsulated in the spec: [[ http://www.w3.org/2011/06/Web%20Storage.html#issues The use of the storage mutex to avoid race conditions is currently considered by

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:01:59 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Comments on this proposal are welcome and please send them by June 27 at the latest. I don't think this make sense. Unless it is removed from browsers it is part of the web platform and as such requires

[widgets] Reminder! RfC: LCWDs of Widget {Packaging, Interface, Digital Signature}; deadline June 28

2011-06-20 Thread Arthur Barstow
Reminder: June 28 deadline for comments on 3 widget LCWDs: Packaging, Interface and DigSig. Original Message Subject: [widgets] RfC: LCWDs of Widget {Packaging, Interface, Digital Signature}; deadline June 28 Resent-Date:Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:40:50 + Resent-From:

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-06-20 13:11, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:01:59 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Comments on this proposal are welcome and please send them by June 27 at the latest. I don't think this make sense. Unless it is removed from browsers it is part of

Reminder: RfC: DOM 3 Events Last Call Working Draft; deadline June 28

2011-06-20 Thread Arthur Barstow
Reminder: June 28 is the deadline for comments for the DOM 3 Events Last Call Working Draft. Original Message Subject:RfC: DOM 3 Events Last Call Working Draft; deadline June 28 Resent-Date:Tue, 31 May 2011 15:54:29 + Resent-From:public-webapps@w3.org Date:

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:01:59 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Comments on this proposal are welcome and please send them by June 27 at the latest. I don't think this make sense. Unless it is removed

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:54:12 +0200, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: As recently discussed in the HTMLWG -- you can have Note that is normative; it's just a signal that work on this has ended. 1) You do not get patent policy protection. 2) The work has not ended if the feature

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-06-20 13:58, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:54:12 +0200, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: As recently discussed in the HTMLWG -- you can have Note that is normative; it's just a signal that work on this has ended. 1) You do not get patent policy protection.

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Marcos Caceres marcosscace...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:01:59 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Comments on this proposal are welcome and please send them

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Marcos Caceres marcosscace...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:01:59 +0200, Arthur Barstow

Indicating certificate order in XML Dig Sig

2011-06-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi, Is there some means to explicitly indicate the order in which certificates in an xml dig sig file should be processed? The problem is that if you screw up the certificate order in the xml file, the validator (e.g,. xmlsec) does not know which cert is the end-entity. See also the following

Re: CfC: publish Candidate Recommendation of Progress Events; deadline June 24

2011-06-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:57:44 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: The exit criteria is in the Draft CR and is based on the criteria in the XHR CR: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/progress/#crec As with all of our CfCs, positive response is preferred and encouraged and

Re: Indicating certificate order in XML Dig Sig

2011-06-20 Thread Frederick.Hirsch
Marcos No there is currently no such definition of certificate order in XML Signature. I believe this question was answered correctly on the aleksey xmlsec development list in the message after the one you quoted, which is why I didn't join the discussion:

Re: Indicating certificate order in XML Dig Sig

2011-06-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi Frederick, On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:13 PM, frederick.hir...@nokia.com wrote: Marcos No there is currently no such definition of certificate order in XML Signature. I believe this question was answered correctly on the aleksey xmlsec development list in the message after the one you

Re: Indicating certificate order in XML Dig Sig

2011-06-20 Thread Cantor, Scott E.
On 6/20/11 8:37 AM, Marcos Caceres marcosscace...@gmail.com wrote: Is there some means to explicitly indicate the order in which certificates in an xml dig sig file should be processed? The problem is that if you screw up the certificate order in the xml file, the validator (e.g,. xmlsec) does not

[widgets] Minor addition to PC

2011-06-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Would like to add: In the case that a user agent has to treat a widget as an invalid Widget package, it is RECOMMENDED that a user agent inform the user of any error with an appropriate amount of detail. This can help developers debug issues by letting them know what has gone wrong during

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Vincent Scheib
A range of security methods have been discussed. Please read the thread in detail if this summary is too succinct: The Security concern is that of the user agent hiding the mouse and not letting it be used normally due to malicious code on a web site. Thus, user agents must address this issue. No

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Adam Barth
So it sounds like we don't have a security model but we're hoping UA implementors can dream one up by combining enough heuristics. Adam On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Vincent Scheib sch...@google.com wrote: A range of security methods have been discussed. Please read the thread in detail if

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: So it sounds like we don't have a security model but we're hoping UA implementors can dream one up by combining enough heuristics. A model which I suggested privately, and which I believe others have suggested publicly, is

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Adam Barth
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: So it sounds like we don't have a security model but we're hoping UA implementors can dream one up by combining enough heuristics. A model which

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: So it sounds like we don't have a security model but we're hoping UA

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Vincent Scheib sch...@google.com wrote: - Mousemove event gains .deltaX .deltaY members, always valid, not just during mouse lock. Is this implementable? First-person games typically implement delta mouse movement by hiding the mouse cursor, warping the

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Olli Pettay
On 06/20/2011 10:18 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Adam Barthw...@adambarth.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Tab Atkins Jr.jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Adam Barthw...@adambarth.com wrote: So it sounds like we don't

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote:

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Vincent Scheib sch...@google.com wrote: - Mousemove event gains .deltaX .deltaY members, always valid, not just during mouse lock. Is this implementable? First-person games typically

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: On 06/20/2011 10:18 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Adam Barthw...@adambarth.com  wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Tab Atkins Jr.jackalm...@gmail.com 2. During a user-initiated click,

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: In a non-mouselock situation, mouse events stop being fired anyway when the mouse goes outside of the window, so you don't have to worry about the delta information. Mouse events continue to be fired while you hold a

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Olli Pettay
On 06/21/2011 12:25 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Olli Pettayolli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: On 06/20/2011 10:18 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Adam Barthw...@adambarth.comwrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Tab Atkins

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: On 06/21/2011 12:25 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: The use-case is non-fullscreen games and similar, where you'd prefer to lock the mouse as soon as the user clicks into the game.  Minecraft is the first example that pops

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Olli Pettay
On 06/21/2011 01:08 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Olli Pettayolli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: On 06/21/2011 12:25 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: The use-case is non-fullscreen games and similar, where you'd prefer to lock the mouse as soon as the user clicks into the

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Given: Indexed Database API provides an alternative to Web Storage, the relative severity of this issue, there is no plan to fix this issue, _this is a Request for Comments to stop work on this spec and for [1] (or a

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: On 06/21/2011 01:08 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Olli Pettayolli.pet...@helsinki.fi  wrote: On 06/21/2011 12:25 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: The use-case is non-fullscreen games and similar,

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2011-06-20 13:58, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:54:12 +0200, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: As recently discussed in the HTMLWG -- you can have Note that is normative; it's just a signal that work on this has

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: A model which I suggested privately, and which I believe others have suggested publicly, is this: 1. While fullscreen is enabled, you can lock the mouse to the fullscreened element without a prompt or persistent

Re: What changes to Web Messaging spec are proposed? [Was: Re: Using ArrayBuffer as payload for binary data to/from Web Workers]

2011-06-20 Thread Ian Hickson
So the proposal that seems to address the most concerns raised in this thread would be to have postMessage() work like this: postMessage({ object }, [ array ]); ...with it resulting in an event that contains both {object} and [array], where everything in the array is transferred, and

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Adam Barth
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: On 06/21/2011 01:08 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Olli Pettayolli.pet...@helsinki.fi  wrote: On 06/21/2011 12:25

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-20 Thread Gregg Tavares (wrk)
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Olli Pettay olli.pet...@helsinki.fi wrote: On 06/21/2011 01:08 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2011

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 6/20/11 6:30 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: I object to this. Web SQL Database was never interoperably implemented, or adequately specified. Web Storage has been implemented in every major browser for a few years, and tons of content depends on it. Note that there are currently major browsers

Re: RfC: moving Web Storage to WG Note; deadline June 29

2011-06-20 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 6/20/11 8:20 AM, Marcos Caceres wrote: Browser extensions are in every browser, so in a sense are part of the web platform. I strongly object to both this claim and the idea that browser extension concerns should affect web-exposed APIs in general The APIs exposed to browser

[Bug 11836] Don't specify the transport, just specify API and protocol

2011-06-20 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11836 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson i...@hixie.ch changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED