Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-22 Thread Jere.Kapyaho
In the context of the discussion about having a mandatory config file, I proposed to simplify matters even further and have just one config file, with the note that this proposal could be ignored in the interest of time and/or effort. There are pros and cons to both approaches, as Marcos has it

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-22 Thread Arthur Barstow
On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:06 PM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Andrew Welch wrote: That's exactly what I was talking about when I said "even thought the XML i18n guidelines say it's bad practice,'. Ahh very sorry, I just saw the email after that containing the c

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-21 Thread timeless
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: > Alright, lets see a show of hands for this approach! Who supports us > just having a single config.xml with a bunch of repeated elements, but > with different xml:langs? opposed

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi Benoit, On 3/20/09 12:48 PM, SUZANNE Benoit RD-SIRP-ISS wrote: I believe that when creating content, it is easier/clearer to have multiple files. There is less confusion and therfore less errors. sure... but, Advantages here are: * we only need to make very small modifications to the

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-20 Thread SUZANNE Benoit RD-SIRP-ISS
.suza...@orange-ftgroup.com > > From: Marcos Caceres > Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:06:31 +0100 > To: Andrew Welch > Cc: , , > > Subject: Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory > Resent-From: > Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
In my previous email, I included a note that said: "Note: Some elements marked as not being localizable via xml:lang, such as screenshot and icon elements, are localizable via folder-based content localization." I've thought about it some more, and concluded that screenshot and icon are actually

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
Ok, here is my first crack at specifying this...If you prefer to read it in the spec (so you can follow any cross references, etc), then please check out: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#element-based-content-localization [[ ==Element-based Content Localization== This specification defines th

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, wrote: > The reason why the I18N BP document frowns upon this is because if you have > the material sent for translation, it might (or most probably will) be > translated by different people in different places. So it makes coordination > a little difficult when a

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Jere.Kapyaho
On 19.3.2009 17.43, "ext Marcos Caceres" wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Andrew Welch wrote: >> To be clear, the proposal is: >> http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets";> >> Mon widget >> My Widget >> Widget >> > > heh... be careful that looks very similar to this "Best Practice": > > "Avo

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Andrew Welch wrote: >> That's exactly what I was talking about when I said "even thought the XML >> i18n >> guidelines say it's bad practice,'. > > Ahh very sorry, I just saw the email after that containing the code > sample, and gmail collapses the quoted parts..

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Andrew Welch
> That's exactly what I was talking about when I said "even thought the XML i18n > guidelines say it's bad practice,'. Ahh very sorry, I just saw the email after that containing the code sample, and gmail collapses the quoted parts my bad. > However, Addison Phillips, the > Chair of i18n cor

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Andrew Welch wrote: >> To be clear, the proposal is: >> http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets";> >>   Mon widget >>   My Widget >>   Widget >> > > heh... be careful that looks very similar to this "Best Practice": > > "Avoid document formats that store multiple localized v

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Andrew Welch
> To be clear, the proposal is: > http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets";> >   Mon widget >   My Widget >   Widget > heh... be careful that looks very similar to this "Best Practice": "Avoid document formats that store multiple localized versions of content within the same document." http://www.w3.org/T

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:22 PM,   wrote: >> I still think that more than one config document is the most confusing >> aspect of this. Having just one (mandatory) config document, with the >> localized parts tagged with xml:lang attributes w

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:22 PM, wrote: > I still think that more than one config document is the most confusing > aspect of this. Having just one (mandatory) config document, with the > localized parts tagged with xml:lang attributes would be the simplest. > However, as I understand it, the sepa

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Andrew Welch wrote: >>> Other suggestions are of course welcome! >>> >>> One alternative would be to separate out the non-localisable data into a >>> separate document, eg manifest.xml... But this is also likely to irritate >>> implementers :( >>> >> >> No, the W

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Jere.Kapyaho
I still think that more than one config document is the most confusing aspect of this. Having just one (mandatory) config document, with the localized parts tagged with xml:lang attributes would be the simplest. However, as I understand it, the separate config files were recommended by the W3C I

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Andrew Welch
>> Other suggestions are of course welcome! >> >> One alternative would be to separate out the non-localisable data into a >> separate document, eg manifest.xml... But this is also likely to irritate >> implementers :( >> > > No, the WG are saving manifest.xml for an actual manifest format. Lets

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Priestley, Mark, VF-Group wrote: >>FWIW, I think this will confuse authors... and irritate the >>poor souls who need to implement this :) > > Other suggestions are of course welcome! > > One alternative would be to separate out the non-localisable data into a > se

RE: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Priestley, Mark, VF-Group
ritate implementers :( >-Original Message- >From: marcosscace...@gmail.com >[mailto:marcosscace...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Marcos Caceres >Sent: 19 March 2009 14:25 >To: Priestley, Mark, VF-Group >Cc: public-webapps@w3.org >Subject: Re: [widgets] Further arg

Re: [widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Priestley, Mark, VF-Group wrote: > Hi Marcos, All, > > I would like to raise a comment in support of making the configuration > document at the root of the widget mandatory. > > The localisation model currently described by [1] allows for multiple > configuration d

[widgets] Further argument for making config.xml mandatory

2009-03-19 Thread Priestley, Mark, VF-Group
Hi Marcos, All, I would like to raise a comment in support of making the configuration document at the root of the widget mandatory. The localisation model currently described by [1] allows for multiple configuration documents; zero or one at the root of the widget and zero or one at the root o