[xhr] Questions on the future of the XHR spec, W3C snapshot

2014-10-17 Thread Hallvord R. M. Steen
Apologies in advance that this thread will deal with something that's more in the realm of politics. First, I'm writing as one of the W3C-appointed "editors" of the "snapshot" the WebApps WG presumably would like to release as the XMLHttpRequest recommendation, but I'm not speaking on behalf of

Re: [xhr] Questions on the future of the XHR spec, W3C snapshot

2014-10-18 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 10/17/14, 8:19 PM, Hallvord R. M. Steen wrote: a) Ship a TR based on the spec just *before* the big Fetch refactoring. If we want to publish something at all, I think this is the most reasonable option, frankly. I have no strong opinions on whether this is done REC-track or as a Note, I t

Re: [xhr] Questions on the future of the XHR spec, W3C snapshot

2014-10-19 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 10/17/14 8:19 PM, Hallvord R. M. Steen wrote: I'd appreciate if those who consider responding to this thread could be to-the-point and avoid the ideological swordmanship as much as possible. I would appreciate that too (and I will endeavor to moderate replies accordingly.) However, the

Re: [xhr] Questions on the future of the XHR spec, W3C snapshot

2014-10-19 Thread Hallvord R. M. Steen
>> However, the WHATWG version is now quite heavily refactored to be XHR+Fetch. >> It's no longer clear to me whether pushing forward to ship XHR2 "stand-alone" >> is the right thing to do.. > (For those not familiar with > WebApps' XHR TR publication history, the latest snapshots are: Level1 >

Re: [xhr] Questions on the future of the XHR spec, W3C snapshot

2014-10-19 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Hallvord R. M. Steen wrote: > Much of the refactoring work seems to have been just that - refactoring, more > about pulling descriptions of some functionality into another document to > make it more general and usable from other contexts, than about making > cha

Re: [xhr] Questions on the future of the XHR spec, W3C snapshot

2014-10-19 Thread Michael[tm] Smith
Arthur Barstow , 2014-10-19 09:59 -0400: ... > >c) Ship a TR based on the newest WHATWG version, reference WHATWG's Fetch > >spec throughout. > > The staff does indeed permit normative references to WHATWG specs in > WD and CR publications so that wouldn't be an issue for those types > of snapsho

Re: [xhr] Questions on the future of the XHR spec, W3C snapshot

2014-10-20 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 10/19/14 10:02 PM, Michael[tm] Smith wrote: Arthur Barstow , 2014-10-19 09:59 -0400: (If someone can show me a PR and/or REC that includes a normative reference to a WHATWG spec, please let me know.) If it's your goal to ensure that we actually do never have a PR or REC with a normative ref

Re: [xhr] Questions on the future of the XHR spec, W3C snapshot

2014-10-24 Thread Arthur Barstow
[ Apologies for top posting ] I just added a 11:30-12:00 time slot on Monday October 27 for XHR: I believe Jungkee will be at the meeting so, Hallvord and Julian please join via the phone bridge and/or IRC if you ca