Re: From-Origin FPWD

2011-08-01 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Hill, Brad wrote: > The ability to do all of these things server-side, with referrer checking, > has been universally available for fifteen years. (RFC 1945) > > In every one of the use cases below, From-Origin is a worse solution than > referrer checking. What

Re: From-Origin FPWD

2011-08-01 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Jul 31, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: > * Anne van Kesteren wrote: >> http://www.w3.org/TR/from-origin/ > > The proposed `From-Origin` header conveys a subset of the information > that is already available through the Referer header. From-Origin is a response header and Referer

RE: From-Origin FPWD

2011-08-01 Thread Hill, Brad
should we expect it to become universally deployed where referrer checking is not? -Brad From: rocalla...@gmail.com [mailto:rocalla...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert O'Callahan Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:16 AM To: Hill, Brad Cc: Anne van Kesteren; WebApps WG Subject: Re: From-Origin FPW

Re: From-Origin FPWD

2011-08-01 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Hill, Brad wrote: > What are the use cases where a user is better off if their browser obeys > From-Origin than if it does not? > > Bandwidth "theft"? The user wants to see the image. The problem, such > that one exists, is for the hosting server. They can and

Re: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-31 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Anne van Kesteren wrote: > http://www.w3.org/TR/from-origin/ The proposed `From-Origin` header conveys a subset of the information that is already available through the Referer header. As it is, it is very rare for the Referer header, or coressponding interfaces that are available to scripts,

RE: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-27 Thread Hill, Brad
I'm still not convinced that implementing this as a feature of the User Agent benefits the user or is the most appropriate technology for addressing the problem statements in the specification. What are the use cases where a user is better off if their browser obeys From-Origin than if it does

RE: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-27 Thread Hill, Brad
-Original Message- From: public-webapps-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-webapps-requ...@w3.org] On Behalf Of Anne van Kesteren Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 8:09 AM To: WebApps WG Subject: From-Origin FPWD Hi, The WebApps WG published the From-Origin header proposal as FPWD: http://www

Re: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-22 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:47:59 +0200, Jonas Sicking wrote: It seems to me like this feature heavily overlaps with CORS. In fact, it addresses the exact same cases, except that it does it for resources which we for various reasons use allow-embedding-but-not-reading cross site. Would it make more

Re: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-22 Thread Jonas Sicking
It seems to me like this feature heavily overlaps with CORS. In fact, it addresses the exact same cases, except that it does it for resources which we for various reasons use allow-embedding-but-not-reading cross site. Would it make more sense to simply add this into CORS? / Jonas On Fri, Jul 22

Re: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-22 Thread Thomas Roessler
I recommend reading the relevant Internet-Draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gondrom-frame-options-01 The draft formalizeds X-Frame-Options as Frame-Options. The issue is on the side of the headers' technical design. Regards, -- Thomas Roessler, W3C(@roessler) On Jul 22,

Re: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-22 Thread J Ross Nicoll
In my opinion, we should not be supporting X-* headers any more than absolutely necessary, so phasing out X-Frame-Options in preference of From-Origin would be the correct way to go. I'm aware this does mean a cross-over period where servers are likely to have to provide both headers, and it might

Re: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-22 Thread Thomas Roessler
The web...@ietf.org mailing list would probably be an appropriate place for discussion about x-frame-options. (It's right now an individual internet draft.) -- Thomas Roessler, W3C(@roessler) On Jul 22, 2011, at 17:43 , Arthur Barstow wrote: > On 7/22/11 11:08 AM, ext Anne van Kestere

Re: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-22 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 7/22/11 11:08 AM, ext Anne van Kesteren wrote: The WebApps WG published the From-Origin header proposal as FPWD: http://www.w3.org/TR/from-origin/ The main open issue is whether X-Frame-Options should be replaced by this header or should absorb its functionality somehow. Anne - what lis