RE: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2014-01-03 Thread Adrian Bateman
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:57 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Joel Weinberger wrote: > >> But it would suck if the result is that they create their own form > >> fields using s and/or contenteditable. > > > > That's true, although some things like that are already

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-19 Thread Mark Callow
On 2013/12/18 7:12, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > I also forgot to mention: > (3) At least some sites believe that consumer finance regulations > require them to use autocomplete=off. They believe their requirement > to protect the user's authentication information and prevent it from > being accessed

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-18 Thread Joel Weinberger
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Jonathan Bond-Caron < jbo...@gdesolutions.com> wrote: > > On the other hand, if all browsers collectively chose to completely > > ignore autocomplete=off, that might allow proceeding more > > aggressively. > > Sure, and that's why we're bringing it up with th

RE: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-18 Thread Jonathan Bond-Caron
> On the other hand, if all browsers collectively chose to completely > ignore autocomplete=off, that might allow proceeding more > aggressively. > Sure, and that's why we're bringing it up with the > standards body. Before we proceed any further, we want to make sure that > (a) our intention

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-17 Thread Joel Weinberger
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Joel Weinberger wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback, everyone. A few people at this point have > suggested emailing the wha...@whatwg.org list since this is really an > HTML feature; I'll do that in a few.

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-17 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Joel Weinberger wrote: > Thanks for the feedback, everyone. A few people at this point have suggested > emailing the wha...@whatwg.org list since this is really an HTML feature; > I'll do that in a few. In response to Ian's question, I'm referring to the W3 > Web

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-17 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Joel Weinberger wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback, everyone. A few people at this point have > suggested emailing the wha...@whatwg.org list since this is really an > HTML feature; I'll do that in a few. In response to Ian's question, I'm > referring to the W3 WebForms stan

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-17 Thread Joel Weinberger
Thanks for the feedback, everyone. A few people at this point have suggested emailing the wha...@whatwg.org list since this is really an HTML feature; I'll do that in a few. In response to Ian's question, I'm referring to the W3 WebForms standard: http://www.w3.org/Submission/web-forms2/#the-autoco

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Joel Weinberger wrote: > > This is a feature (or anti-feature, depending on your perspective :-) > that has been touted as "good security" for quite some time (in fact, > the W3C spec specifically calls it out in that regard). Which spec are we talking about here? -- Ian H

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-13 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Dec 12, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Joel Weinberger wrote: > Hi all. For a while now, we have wanted on Chrome to ignore > autocomplete='off' for password fields for the password manager. We believe > that the current respect for autocomplete='off' for passwords is, in fact, > harming the security

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Joel Weinberger wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Joel Weinberger wrote: >> >> But it would suck if the result is that they create their own form >> >> fields using s and/or contenteditable. >> > >>

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-12 Thread Joel Weinberger
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Joel Weinberger wrote: > >> But it would suck if the result is that they create their own form > >> fields using s and/or contenteditable. > > > > That's true, although some things like that are already pret

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Joel Weinberger wrote: >> But it would suck if the result is that they create their own form >> fields using s and/or contenteditable. > > That's true, although some things like that are already pretty prevalent so > we've come up with decent heuristics for detecti

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-12 Thread Joel Weinberger
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > On Dec 12, 2013 11:21 AM, "Joel Weinberger" wrote: > > What are this group's thoughts on this? Any particular concerns with > this approach? > > I like the approach. > Awesome, and thanks for this feedback :-) > > The issue in the past has

Re: Passsword managers and autocomplete='off'

2013-12-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Dec 12, 2013 11:21 AM, "Joel Weinberger" wrote: > What are this group's thoughts on this? Any particular concerns with this > approach? I like the approach. The issue in the past has been that banks were extremely worried about the formfill feature in browsers. To the extent that they would