Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-13 Thread Julian Reschke
On 12.05.2010 22:39, Nathan wrote: Devdatta wrote: As for the should CORS exist discussion, I'll bow out of those until we're starting to move towards officially adopting a WG decision one way or another, or genuinely new information is provided which would affect such a decision (for the

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-13 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 13, 2010, at 3:05 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 12.05.2010 22:39, Nathan wrote: Devdatta wrote: As for the should CORS exist discussion, I'll bow out of those until we're starting to move towards officially adopting a WG decision one way or another, or genuinely new information is

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-13 Thread Nathan
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On May 13, 2010, at 3:05 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 12.05.2010 22:39, Nathan wrote: Devdatta wrote: As for the should CORS exist discussion, I'll bow out of those until we're starting to move towards officially adopting a WG decision one way or another, or

CORS suggestions [Was: Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest]

2010-05-13 Thread Arthur Barstow
On May 12, 2010, at 2:42 PM, ext Jonas Sicking wrote: If so, I'd really like to see the chairs move forward with making the WG make some sort of formal decision on weather CORS should be published or not. Repeating the same discussion over and over is not good use your time or mine. There is

Last Word-ism (was: Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest)

2010-05-13 Thread Mark S. Miller
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: So HTML is not vulnerable to Cross-Site Scripting, C++ is not vulnerable to buffer overflows and so CORS is not vulnerable to Confused Deputy. Correct. As explained above, CORS

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-13 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On

Re: CORS suggestions [Was: Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest]

2010-05-13 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: On May 12, 2010, at 2:42 PM, ext Jonas Sicking wrote: If so, I'd really like to see the chairs move forward with making the WG make some sort of formal decision on weather CORS should be published or not. Repeating

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-13 Thread John Kemp
Hi Ian, On May 13, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: [...] You are using the word vulnerable in a manner inconsistent with its meaning in the Web standards community. I think the specific vulnerability is that a server is vulnerable to a

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-13 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: So HTML is not vulnerable to Cross-Site Scripting, C++ is not vulnerable to buffer overflows and so CORS is not vulnerable to Confused Deputy. Correct. As some (at least me) might be

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Since the other points in this thread have already been addressed by others, I thought I'd just add my thoughts on this issue (renaming and response header filtering). On Tue, 11 May 2010 20:17:17 +0200, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Anne van

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Tyler Close
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 11 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: CORS introduces subtle but severe Confused Deputy vulnerabilities I don't think everyone is convinced that this is the case. AFAICT, there is consensus that CORS has Confused Deputy

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 12 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 11 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: CORS introduces subtle but severe Confused Deputy vulnerabilities I don't think everyone is convinced that this is the case. AFAICT, there

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Kris Zyp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/12/2010 11:39 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 11 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: CORS introduces subtle but severe Confused Deputy

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Ojan Vafai
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: In the general case, including many common cases, doing this validation is not feasible. The CORS specification should not be allowed to proceed through standardization without providing developers a robust solution to

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Tyler Close
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: In the general case, including many common cases, doing this validation is not feasible. The CORS specification should not be allowed to proceed

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: In the general case, including many common cases, doing this validation is

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Tyler Close
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: In

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Devdatta
While most of the discussion in this thread is just repeats of previous discussions, I think Tyler makes a good (and new) point in that the current CORS draft still has no mention of the possible security problems that Tyler talks about. The current draft's security section

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Tyler Close
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Devdatta dev.akh...@gmail.com wrote: While most of the discussion in this thread is just repeats of previous discussions, I think Tyler makes a good (and new) point in that the current CORS

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Devdatta dev.akh...@gmail.com wrote: While most of the discussion in this thread is just repeats of previous

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Nathan
Devdatta wrote: As for the should CORS exist discussion, I'll bow out of those until we're starting to move towards officially adopting a WG decision one way or another, or genuinely new information is provided which would affect such a decision (for the record, I don't think I've seen any new

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@google.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed,

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@google.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed,

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Tyler Close
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@google.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed,

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@google.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed,

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Tyler Close
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@google.com wrote: On Wed,

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Tyler Close
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@google.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: Both

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 12 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: It is also not a question of opinion, but fact. CORS uses ambient authority for access control in 3 party scenarios. CORS is therefore vulnerable to Confused Deputy. That's like saying that HTML uses markup and is therefore vulnerable to

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Nathan
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: We've gone through several scenarios on this list where this validation is not feasible. On the chromium list, I recently explained how it is not possible to implement a generic AtomPub client that does this validation:

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Tyler Close
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: It is also not a question of opinion, but fact. CORS uses ambient authority for access control in 3 party scenarios. CORS is therefore vulnerable to Confused Deputy. That's like

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 12 May 2010, Tyler Close wrote: So HTML is not vulnerable to Cross-Site Scripting, C++ is not vulnerable to buffer overflows and so CORS is not vulnerable to Confused Deputy. Correct. As explained above, CORS with credentials is intrinsically vulnerable to Confused Deputy. The

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Tyler Close
Firefox, Chrome and Caja have now all declared an interest in implementing UMP. Opera and Safari have both declared an interest in implementing the functionality defined in UMP under the name CORS. I think it's clear that UMP has sufficient implementor interest to proceed along the standardization

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Tyler Close
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:48:57 +0200, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: Firefox, Chrome and Caja have now all declared an interest in implementing UMP. Opera and Safari have both declared an interest in

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:48:57 +0200, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: Firefox, Chrome and Caja have now all declared an interest in implementing UMP. Opera and Safari have both declared an interest in implementing the functionality defined in UMP under the name CORS. I think it's clear

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Ojan Vafai
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:48:57 +0200, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: Firefox, Chrome and Caja have now all declared an interest in

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Tyler Close
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: What is the difference between an authoring guide and a specification for web developers? The difference is whether or not the normative statements in UMP actually are normative for a CORS implementation. This comes down to

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: Firefox, Chrome and Caja have now all declared an interest in implementing UMP. Opera and Safari have both declared an interest in implementing the functionality defined in UMP under the name CORS. I think it's clear

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: What is the difference between an authoring guide and a specification for web developers? The difference is whether or not the normative statements

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Arthur Barstow
Jonas, Anne, Tlyer, All, On May 11, 2010, at 3:08 PM, ext Jonas Sicking wrote: Personally I would prefer to see the UMP model be specced as part of the CORS spec, mostly to avoid inevitable differences between two specs trying to specify the same thing. And creating an authoring guide

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Tyler Close
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Jonas, Anne, Tlyer, All, On May 11, 2010, at 3:08 PM, ext Jonas Sicking wrote: Personally I would prefer to see the UMP model be specced as part of the CORS spec, mostly to avoid inevitable differences between two

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: What is the difference between an authoring guide and a specification for web developers? The difference is whether or not the normative statements

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@google.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: What is the difference between an authoring guide and a specification for web

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-11 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 11, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Dirk Pranke dpra...@google.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: What is the difference

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-05-06 Thread Mark S. Miller
XML is also a misnomer. And HTTP is confusing since it also works over https. At least we agree on Request. On Apr 21, 2010 12:24 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:37:54 +0900, Mark S... I agree that

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-22 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Mark S. Miller wrote: Thanks, the Tor example is clarifying. Tor attempts to actually provide anonymity, by attempting to hide all information that might be inadvertently identifying, like IP address, traffic patterns, or other side channels. The threat model

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-22 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 02:39:31 +0900, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: Because I've yet to receive detailed feedback / proposals on CORS on what needs changing. In another thread Maciej asked you whether you

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-22 Thread Mark S. Miller
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: That being said, I'm totally open to a name that conveys the same meaning with less perceived ambiguity. I just don't think Uniform is it. It doesn't get across the main idea very well at all. We need a phrase that says

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-22 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 22, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Mark S. Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: That being said, I'm totally open to a name that conveys the same meaning with less perceived ambiguity. I just don't think Uniform is it. It doesn't get across

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-22 Thread Mark S. Miller
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 22, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Mark S. Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: That being said, I'm totally open to a name that conveys the same meaning with less

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-22 Thread Dirk Pranke
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:11 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:36:50 +0900, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: Unfortunately ambient doesn't have any good antonyms:

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-22 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: XML is also a misnomer. And Http is confusing as well, since these requests can (and should) generally be carried over https. At least we agree on Request ;). I agree, but (a) that ship has sailed; and (b) dropping those

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-22 Thread Mark S. Miller
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.comwrote: Hopefully it helps calling out attention to this in a separate thread. In http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0043.htmlMaciej states Apple has no interest in implementing UMP from the UMP

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-22 Thread Mark S. Miller
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Mark S. Miller erig...@google.com wrote: [...] Caja parses a sanitized subset of HTML HTML5's tag soup algorithm. Sorry. I meant Caja parses a sanitized subset of HTML *using* HTML5's tag soup algorithm. Fortunately, the typo has little bearing on the overall

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-22 Thread Adam Barth
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: Hopefully it helps calling out attention to this in a separate thread. In http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0043.html

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-21 Thread Mark S. Miller
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.comwrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 01:27:10 +0900, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: Why can't it be made exactly like UMP? All of the requirements in UMP have been discussed at length and in great detail on this list by some

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-21 Thread Tyler Close
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: Uniform doesn't tell you much about what it is doing. The term uniform in Uniform Messaging Policy (UMP) is used in the same sense as it is used in Uniform Resource Identifier (URI). In particular, the following from RFC

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-21 Thread Ojan Vafai
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 01:27:10 +0900, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: Why can't it be made exactly like UMP? All of the

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-21 Thread Mark S. Miller
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I agree that Anonymous or Anon is more clear as to the purpose than Uniform. In the same say this email is anonymous. Sure, I say it is from MarkM, but my browser doesn't add any identifying info that you can see. Even

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-21 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Mark S. Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Mark S. Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I agree that Anonymous or Anon is more

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-20 Thread Tyler Close
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:38:54 +0900, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: As I've said before. I'd be interested in implementing UMP in firefox if we can come  up with a reasonable API for using it. I.e. a separate

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-20 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:38:54 +0900, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: As I've said before. I'd be interested in implementing UMP in firefox if we can come  up with a reasonable API for using it. I.e. a separate

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-20 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:38:54 +0900, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: As I've said before. I'd be interested in implementing UMP in firefox

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-20 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Tyler Close wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:38:54 +0900, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: As I've said before. I'd be interested in implementing UMP in firefox if we can come up

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-20 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 20, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:38:54 +0900, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: As I've said before. I'd be interested in implementing UMP in firefox if we can come

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-20 Thread Tyler Close
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Tyler Close wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:38:54 +0900, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: As I've said

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-20 Thread Tyler Close
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:38:54 +0900, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 03:47:06 +0900, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I kinda hate the boolean argument. I would rather have a syntax where the intent is obvious from the source code. A boolean is not very self- documenting. In fact I can't even remember right now whether true or

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 01:27:10 +0900, Tyler Close tyler.cl...@gmail.com wrote: Why can't it be made exactly like UMP? All of the requirements in UMP have been discussed at length and in great detail on this list by some highly qualified people. The current UMP spec reflects all of that

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-19 Thread Adam Barth
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: Hopefully it helps calling out attention to this in a separate thread. In http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010AprJun/0043.html Maciej states Apple has no interest in implementing UMP from the UMP

Re: UMP / CORS: Implementor Interest

2010-04-19 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:38:54 +0900, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: As I've said before. I'd be interested in implementing UMP in firefox if we can come up with a reasonable API for using it. I.e. a separate constructor or flag or similar on XHR. This is assuming that UMP is a reasonable