Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Multiple users (kde) on Debian

2010-08-25 Thread Jan Braun
Colin Guthrie schrob: > 'Twas brillig, and Jan Braun at 25/08/10 12:08 did gyre and gimble: > > Colin Guthrie schrob: > > FWIW, I agree that's the best aproach. > > But aren't you PA guys actively fighting this idea? You strongly advise > > against > &

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Multiple users (kde) on Debian

2010-08-25 Thread Jan Braun
Colin Guthrie schrob: > >> As we discussed previously the pseudo session started for the GDM login > >> prompt is the right approach here. There is always an "active" user, > > > > No!!! > > None of what you said above causes me to doubt the approach we have all > previously discussed. The archit

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] and the winner is dmix

2010-08-22 Thread Jan Braun
Hi, Halim Sahin schrob: > > > PA simply listens to messages from CK and gracefully releases it's > > > control of the devices when it's not supposed to have access. In reality > > > we're just being a good citizen in this regard. > > > > Yep, but maybe CK isn't such a good police^Hy. > > +1 if c

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] cmipci, pulseaudio and 5.1 — unable to contol center/LFE

2010-08-18 Thread Jan Braun
Erik Boritsch schrob: > I have a CM8738-MC6 soundcard with 5.1 analog surround. With pulseaudios > 5.1 profile I am unable to control center and LFE channels. > [...] > In my case, it seems that center/LFE are on hw:1,1 (with other channels > being on hw:1,0). I have tried adding followings to .aso

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Volume control interactions

2010-08-17 Thread Jan Braun
Tanu Kaskinen schrob: > On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 21:32 +0200, Jan Braun wrote: > > What I'd want and expect is a (per-soundcard) "master volume" that's > > persistent and affects ALL streams on that device, [...] > > Yes, your "master volume" is

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Volume control interactions

2010-08-15 Thread Jan Braun
Michał Sawicz schrob: > Dnia 2010-08-15, nie o godzinie 17:03 +0100, Dylan pisze: > > I hope I have made sense and am not completely misunderstanding how > > the > > system is intendeto work, it is simply that IMHO each level slider (or > > pair) > > should be fully independent of eachother. >

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Multiple users (kde) on Debian

2010-08-10 Thread Jan Braun
Ng Oon-Ee schrob: > On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 00:51 +0200, Jan Braun wrote: > > Colin Guthrie schrob: > > > Also most people expect to get exclusive access ot the sound h/w when > > > switching users (it's how it works on Windows and Mac OS) > > > > While

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Multiple users (kde) on Debian

2010-08-10 Thread Jan Braun
Colin Guthrie schrob: > Also most people expect to get exclusive access ot the sound h/w when > switching users (it's how it works on Windows and Mac OS) While fiddling with a relative's computer today, I was surprised to find out the technical assertion is not true. The 32-bit XP Home Personal in

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] How to Use a Tunnel Source

2010-07-30 Thread Jan Braun
Jim Duda schrob: > If I open PulseAudioManger on host "jim", I can seet that I have a > "source" which is identified as > "tunnel.asterisk.local.sphinx_record.monitor". I want my application > to attach to this "source", however, my application can only use ALSA. > As such, I assumed I need to use

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Multiple users (kde) on Debian

2010-07-26 Thread Jan Braun
Colin Guthrie schrob: > 'Twas brillig, and Mark Cross at 26/07/10 15:23 did gyre and gimble: > > So, there must be a way "supported by maintainers" to have two PA instances > > form two users that share access to the sound system. > > Sadly there is no officially recommended way to do this. This i

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Changing default soundcard on attach/detach of soundcards

2010-07-16 Thread Jan Braun
Colin Guthrie schrob: > 'Twas brillig, and Jan Braun at 15/07/10 06:07 did gyre and gimble: > > 1. Shouldn't PA do only obvious things automatically, and not bug the > >user about obvious things? The proposition "PA automaticallly breaks > >stuff,

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Changing default soundcard on attach/detach of soundcards

2010-07-14 Thread Jan Braun
Colin Guthrie schrob: > e.g. when a new BT Headset is discovered, module-intended-roles would > basically check to see whether the device is already in the "voip" > priority list and if not, it would inject it at the top, rather than the > bottom of the list (there could be various caveats included

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Changing default soundcard on attach/detach of soundcards

2010-07-14 Thread Jan Braun
Colin Guthrie schrob: > 'Twas brillig, and Jeremy Nickurak at 16/06/10 16:04 did gyre and gimble: > > Does pulseaudio perhaps need to be throwing some visual indication to > > the user that streams switched devices as a result of a plug event, > > maybe with a very simple pointer to where to go to

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Removing volume sliders from media player UIs

2010-05-01 Thread Jan Braun
Tanu Kaskinen schrob: > I'm trying to build a convincing argument so that media player > programmers voluntarily change their UIs. See below. > You didn't say why you think > device volume in bad - I assume because you think that the natural user > expectation is that a volume slider in an applic

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Removing volume sliders from media player UIs

2010-04-30 Thread Jan Braun
Tanu Kaskinen schrob: > > Aha. So you propose/defend making the per-app volume sliders difficult > > to change to prevent users shooting themselves in the foot? > > Yes. Well, just in order to avoid misunderstanding, I don't propose > making it "difficult", just significantly less convenient than

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] My computer thinks I'm schizophrenic, is PA for me?

2010-04-19 Thread Jan Braun
Lennart Poettering schrob: > > ...and you're explicitly disallowing cross-user shm transfer. :( > > I guess I'll have to figure out the security implications of messing > > with that. > > Well, the story goes like this: we need to make sure that a user A > cannot trigger a SIGBUS in processes by u

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] My computer thinks I'm schizophrenic, is PA for me?

2010-04-19 Thread Jan Braun
Lennart Poettering schrob: > On Sat, 17.04.10 16:42, Jan Braun (janbr...@gmx.de) wrote: > > Hmm, why not? I've set up PA as you describe (except for the additional > > auth-group parameter), and PA is creating entries in /dev/shm , even for > > other users than "a

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] My computer thinks I'm schizophrenic, is PA for me?

2010-04-19 Thread Jan Braun
Lennart Poettering schrob: > On Fri, 16.04.10 21:02, Jan Braun (janbr...@gmx.de) wrote: > > You see, currently I'm the only person with access to my desktop pc, > > but I have several user accounts on it[1]. And I use them all. > > Simultaneously. As in: several consol

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Standardising on the amount of software amplification is presented to the user

2010-04-17 Thread Jan Braun
Tanu Kaskinen schrob: > > As long as there's no way to change the volume of "the current > > application" via the command line (so I can teach it to my window > > manager), I most certainly disagree. And yes, I do need per-application > > volume control (or think I do, see below). > > Your window

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] My computer thinks I'm schizophrenic, is PA for me?

2010-04-17 Thread Jan Braun
Tanu Kaskinen schrob: > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 21:02 +0200, Jan Braun wrote: > > *** Now is your chance to say "that's insane, and we don't support it" > > I can't say it's insane, otherwise I'd be admitting that I've been > insane in the

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] My computer thinks I'm schizophrenic, is PA for me?

2010-04-17 Thread Jan Braun
[I accidentally sent this only to Marti, you're getting it twice, sorry] Marti Raudsepp schrob: > Can't you just copy ~/.pulse-cookie to all users' profiles, so > everyone can access anyone else's PA daemon? It works for me, but I'm > just using different user accounts within one X session. Oops,

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Standardising on the amount of software amplification is presented to the user

2010-04-16 Thread Jan Braun
Tanu Kaskinen schrob: > On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 10:18 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote: > > 'Twas brillig, and Tanu Kaskinen at 13/04/10 20:42 did gyre and gimble: > > > Solution: throw away volume sliders in applications, and promote > > > centralized volume management with volume applets and hardware con

[pulseaudio-discuss] My computer thinks I'm schizophrenic, is PA for me?

2010-04-16 Thread Jan Braun
Hi list, and sorry for bringing up this topic again, but I'm another user who has difficulties with PA's multi-user policy. You see, currently I'm the only person with access to my desktop pc, but I have several user accounts on it[1]. And I use them all. Simultaneously. As in: several consoles op