Re: docs.pylonshq.com - tires my eyes

2009-01-23 Thread Ben Bangert
On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:19 PM, Jan Koprowski wrote: IMHO present documentations composed into site lite is a bad idea. Standard Sphinx generated site was better: more coherent, looks nicer. Contrast between white documentations background and brown layout is too high for me, I can't read documen

docs.pylonshq.com - tires my eyes

2009-01-23 Thread Jan Koprowski
Hi ! IMHO present documentations composed into site lite is a bad idea. Standard Sphinx generated site was better: more coherent, looks nicer. Contrast between white documentations background and brown layout is too high for me, I can't read documentation. My eyes is tortured. IMHO leaving docs

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Miles
On 24/01/2009, at 2:02 PM, Mike Orr wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Chris Miles > wrote: > >> I'd like to see the Pylons "quickstart" template offer an >> authentication/authorization solution as an option, in the same way >> that it offers a DB/ORM solution (SQLAlchemy) so the us

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Chris Miles wrote: > I'd like to see the Pylons "quickstart" template offer an > authentication/authorization solution as an option, in the same way > that it offers a DB/ORM solution (SQLAlchemy) so the user can get > started quickly. Many people will be happy

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Chris Miles
On 24/01/2009, at 8:34 AM, Mike Orr wrote: > repoze.who solves the authentication issue, which as you say is both > the biggest security concern and the mos standardized problem (how > convenient). > > repoze.what can handle authorization for at least some sites, but I'm > not sure how finished

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Gustavo Narea
On Friday January 23, 2009 22:34:25 Mike Orr wrote: > repoze.what can handle authorization for at least some sites, but I'm > not sure how finished it is. Out-of-the-box, repoze.what v1 supports the groups/permissions authorization pattern like AuthKit, but allows you to store such groups/permis

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > > Ben Bangert wrote: > >> There is no auth in Pylons, its beyond the scope. > > I think I agree, but a note: > >> Pretty much every site I've built has stored users differently, some >> have permissions, some just use groups, some just

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Christopher Barker
Ben Bangert wrote: > There is no auth in Pylons, its beyond the scope. I think I agree, but a note: > Pretty much every site I've built has stored users differently, some > have permissions, some just use groups, some just use permissions. To be clear -- Authentication and Authorization are t

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Dalius Dobravolskas
Tom Longson (nym) wrote: > I'm worried about the state of authentication in pylons. I don't know > what I'd recommend to someone else for authentication if they were to > start building something, and I think this is a big stumbling point > with pylons as a web framework. I understand not everyone

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Ben Bangert
On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, Tom Longson (nym) wrote: I'm worried about the state of authentication in pylons. I don't know what I'd recommend to someone else for authentication if they were to start building something, and I think this is a big stumbling point with pylons as a web framework. I

Re: State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Jonathan Vanasco
I think Pylons should only support Authentication as in http auth that is supported by Apache/Nginx/Etc , and things like mod_auth / ldap / etc. It would be nice if it supported some sort of tie-in with services that proxy to/from it to make that auth persist. But everything else that people do

Re: console tools

2009-01-23 Thread Ian Bicking
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:31 AM, cropr wrote: > > I want to add some administrative console tools next to my 0.9.7 > Pylons application (e.g. a backup/restore). I want to make use of > some parameter settings in the development.ini or production.ini, > but I don't need any wsgi stuff. What is t

Re: Recommended production deployment

2009-01-23 Thread Christopher Barker
mk wrote: > Somewhat off topic, where I work (software group at big IT corporation) > there is lots and lots of resistance towards dynamic typing. It *is* > felt that dynamic typing, even in the model of strong dynamic typing of > Python, belongs precisely to the realm of "hobbyist languages li

Re: Exploring ramework futures

2009-01-23 Thread Echo
+1 I agree. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Marcus Cavanaugh < marcuscavana...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Jan 19, 10:24 pm, Graham Dumpleton > wrote: > > I would agree that need to start looking towards WSGI 2.0 and Python > > 3.0 would be a good trigger for that. > > +1 on that. If there was ev

State of Auth with Pylons

2009-01-23 Thread Tom Longson (nym)
I'm worried about the state of authentication in pylons. I don't know what I'd recommend to someone else for authentication if they were to start building something, and I think this is a big stumbling point with pylons as a web framework. I understand not everyone wants authentication, but it is

Re: Is Django more popular than Pylons?

2009-01-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 07:05 -0800, Michael Bayer wrote: > The only price Pylons is paying is it assumes the developer would like > to consider how his application should be architected, instead of > those decisions being made implicitly and invisibly. This is a > cultural situation created by t

Re: Is Django more popular than Pylons?

2009-01-23 Thread chris mollis
well put. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Michael Bayer wrote: > > what a strange post. There are no "unicode" issues in WSGI, and the > usage of WSGI in the generic sense doesn't complicate things to any > degree - the spec is just a single function call.If there are Py3K > issues in Pas

Re: Is Django more popular than Pylons?

2009-01-23 Thread Michael Bayer
what a strange post. There are no "unicode" issues in WSGI, and the usage of WSGI in the generic sense doesn't complicate things to any degree - the spec is just a single function call.If there are Py3K issues in Paste, lets first make it clear that *every* application that deals explicitly w

Re: Is Django more popular than Pylons?

2009-01-23 Thread Mario Ruggier
On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Mike Orr wrote: > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:05 PM, walterbyrd > wrote: >> >> And if so, why? > > Everybody who uses Pylons knows that other frameworks exist and had > maybe tried one or two others, but has made a conscious choice that > they like Pylons' style bette

Re: best ways to deal with bool values in config ?

2009-01-23 Thread Tycon
I was just responding to other people's posts, and I'm not the only person to ever criticize python (while still acknoledging its strengths). On Jan 23, 1:45 am, Alberto Valverde wrote: > Mike Orr wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Tycon wrote: > > >> Python is so messed up, the only e

Re: routes src

2009-01-23 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM, przemek.ch wrote: > > I'm getting an error while trying to get sources from svn co > http://routes.groovie.org/svn/trunk routes > > svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in > response to PROPFIND request for '/svn/trunk' Routes is in

Re: routes src

2009-01-23 Thread Gael Pasgrimaud
Try from bitbucket: http://bitbucket.org/bbangert/routes/ On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:05 PM, przemek.ch wrote: > > I'm getting an error while trying to get sources from svn co > http://routes.groovie.org/svn/trunk routes > > svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in > r

routes src

2009-01-23 Thread przemek.ch
I'm getting an error while trying to get sources from svn co http://routes.groovie.org/svn/trunk routes svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/svn/trunk' --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this messag

Re: best ways to deal with bool values in config ?

2009-01-23 Thread Alberto Valverde
Mike Orr wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Tycon wrote: > >> Python is so messed up, the only explanation is that the people making >> it up are blindly following misguided principles. >> > > Since it's so easy to make a web framework in Python, why don't you > make your own and t

Re: console tools

2009-01-23 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Mike Orr wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:31 AM, cropr wrote: > > I want to add some administrative console tools next to my 0.9.7 > > Pylons application (e.g. a backup/restore). I want to make use of > > some parameter settings in the development.ini or production.ini, > > but I d

Re: console tools

2009-01-23 Thread cropr
Thanks That is what I am looking for cropr On 23 jan, 10:03, Mike Orr wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:31 AM, cropr wrote: > > > I want to add some administrative console tools next to my 0.9.7 > > Pylons application (e.g. a backup/restore).  I want to make use of > > some parameter settings

Re: console tools

2009-01-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:31 AM, cropr wrote: > > I want to add some administrative console tools next to my 0.9.7 > Pylons application (e.g. a backup/restore). I want to make use of > some parameter settings in the development.ini or production.ini, > but I don't need any wsgi stuff. What is

console tools

2009-01-23 Thread cropr
I want to add some administrative console tools next to my 0.9.7 Pylons application (e.g. a backup/restore). I want to make use of some parameter settings in the development.ini or production.ini, but I don't need any wsgi stuff. What is the best and easiest way to start up the console applicati

Re: best ways to deal with bool values in config ?

2009-01-23 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Tycon wrote: > > Python is so messed up, the only explanation is that the people making > it up are blindly following misguided principles. Since it's so easy to make a web framework in Python, why don't you make your own and then you won't have to suffer the egr