On 3/12/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/12/07, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ka-Ping Yee wrote:
> >
> > > We have "import as", though. If you want to import the default
> > > builtins without using them as the builtins, you can say
> > >
> > > import __builti
On 3/12/07, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ka-Ping Yee wrote:
>
> > We have "import as", though. If you want to import the default
> > builtins without using them as the builtins, you can say
> >
> > import __builtin__ as default_builtin
>
> Seems to me it would be better to rename th
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On Mar 12, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Greg Ewing wrote:
> Seems to me it would be better to rename the module
> to a non-double-underscore name. There's really nothing
> magical about the module itself, only the name used
> by global variable lookups. So just
Ka-Ping Yee wrote:
> We have "import as", though. If you want to import the default
> builtins without using them as the builtins, you can say
>
> import __builtin__ as default_builtin
Seems to me it would be better to rename the module
to a non-double-underscore name. There's really nothin
This is all my fault.
Long ago, there was only __builtin__, and all was well; you had to
import it before using it.
Then I added __builtins__ as an internal hook for restricted execution
mode. The idea was that if __builtins__ was set to something
nonstandard you were automatically in restricted
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Greg Ewing wrote:
> Changing __main__ to match would seem to be a
> good idea.
[...]
> There might be merit in renaming __builtins__
> to something less confusable, at the expense of
> breaking existing code which refers to it.
Cool.
> I don't think it would be such a good
Ka-Ping Yee wrote:
> A little investigation reveals:
>
> In module __main__:
> __builtins__ is a reference to module __builtin__.
> __builtin__ only exists if you import it.
>
> In any other module:
> __builtins__ is a reference to module __builtin__'s __dict__.
>
For a long time __builtin__ and __builtins__ have mystified me.
Usually I end up guessing -- in any given namespace, one of the
two will exist, and it will either be a module or a dictionary --
but I never committed to memory which name or type to expect.
A little investigation reveals:
In mo
