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I assume it is on purpose that the tutorial does not show all methods with all
their arguments. It could overwhelm readers with too much information, and
would also duplicate the full doc that’s in the reference.
A link from this tutorial page to the list
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IIRC, when the tarfile module CLI was added, there was a decision to keep it
short and simple, not mimic the whole tar(1) interface.
Python core ships with modules that should be featurefull, but we don’t put
much focus or effort on general utilities: the only
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Thanks for the report and patch. Would you mind adding a unit test?
(Note that the “crash” type is for segfaults, not Python exceptions.)
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typos, reports of things unclear to a beginner, etc) but I don’t agree with
some typographic changes, I find that some grammar changes are pedantic, and
there are even a few
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Attaching plain text version.
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Aside: callable was added back in 3.2; warnings for that are now obsolete, and
people often replaced it with bogus alternatives (like using hasattr on the
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For future fixes, please note that 3.3 is in security mode.
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Note that the distutils feature freeze has been lifted, so in 3.5 sysconfig
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I have to agree the index pages are often frustrating for me too.
Not sure if this involves code changes in Sphinx itself or if we can improve
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I like issue21121-3.diff.
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Thanks, your proposed wording sounds good to me. David (picked you
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IMO either change would not improve the code at all. Suggest closing this.
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I'm reclassifying this ticket as a doc bug, would you mind opening a separate
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I think Walter is referring to Ned's coverage.py project, i.e. the standard
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FTR https://docs.python.org/devguide/#proposing-changes-to-python-itself
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Many features are indeed discussed on this bug tracker, but for a big change
like the one you propose we like to reach out to all of python-dev or all
people on python-ideas to discuss pros and cons. The devguide should explain
this in a little more detail.
I
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I looked for a previous discussion of this on the Python mailing lists and
found nothing.
Existing solutions include https://twitter.com/snim2/status/393821419114483712
and
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5655708/python-most-elegant-way-to-intersperse-a-list
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Thanks for the report and patch!
I don't really see how "just" can be interpreted as applying to something else
than "below", so I'm not sure the wording needs to be changed.
The typo should be fixed.
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Docs and indexing/cross-links in 2.7 should indeed be improved. I had
forgotten which of 2.6 or 2.7 added support for executing packages thanks to
__main__.py files and the docs don't contain an answer that's comprehensive and
easy to find.
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Patch looks to me comprehensive and backward-compatible. Thanks Thomas!
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doko’s patch is actually conservative, not changing the query functions of
distutils.sysconfig but only the _init_posix function, which just defines a
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Sure. The API is slightly different, but the data should be the same, so this
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>> "Convert a mapping object or a sequence of two-element tuples, which
>> may either be a str or a bytes, to a “percent-encoded” string."
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> Mappings, duple sequences, and duples cannot be str or bytes.
The only thing making sen
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Brett, any opposition to moving the doc about importlib submodules to separate
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This may help:
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The xx module is built by the unit tests IIRC.
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> I'd keep the name ("splitdoc"), and let it receive a string.
Yes please.
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>>> type(foo).prop = prop
>>> foo.attach_mock(prop, 'prop')
Are both of these lines needed?
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Added some comments.
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For the record, there is a convention (and server config) to have “current
version” links: http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0430/
Senthil: What do you think about using /3/ instead of /3.4/ in the link so that
it does not become another thing that needs to
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“In the Python interpreter, do "from pydoc import help" to provide online help.”
“online” has changed meaning in the last decades, and help is a semi-builtin
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I noticed this in the commit; I don’t think the rendered output is really ugly,
but the markup does look strange, as it’s two nested note(-like) directives.
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Do we need to change Doc/Makefile to have “PYTHON = python3” or even “PYTHON =
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Isn’t there a buffering argument in open that can be used to avoid line
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Thanks for the report. Is it an issue in the docstrings, the HTML
documentation or both?
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Thanks for the report.
If the python.org links can be found in the Internet Archive, then one could
find the new addresses to use by looking for the same message on
http://www.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2000-March/
Would you be willing to try that
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Thanks for the report and proposed fix! Could you upload a patch file that we
could directly apply to the documentation instead of Python files? More
information about how to do that is found here:
https://docs.python.org/devguide/#quick-start
If you need any
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Reviewed on Rietveld.
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Michael, a patch including tests is ready for this issue.
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Patch looks good to me.
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> I may underestimate issues raised in this thread
I re-read the discussion, these are the two main issues:
1) We’d like list/tuple/etc. documented in two different pages (as functions
and as types), which causes issues when Sphinx builds its index
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> imports from previous unittests corrupt the namespace of subsequent unittests
> and lead to failures
> (usually if there are mock objects in previously imported unit tests)
Can you tell more about this? I haven’t run into this issue with large tes
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It could make sense to add clean, working recipes to e.g. the functools
documentation. The cached_property in the wiki uses a TTL, other like
Pyramid’s reify decorator make properties that ensure the fget function is
called only once per instance, and there may
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Is this a duplicate of #809163 ?
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Not sure if 3.2 is still open to security fixes.
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You seem to misunderstand me Victor: There is no bug here, classifiers should
be a list and are documented as such. It is possible to make this clearer in
the docs for all versions. In addition, we could make this easier for users
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It would be nice to have unit tests for this change.
Did you get an email from the review system? If not, follow the “review” link
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I’m open to a patch that would make it clear in the docs that classifiers must
be a list.
A patch to detect bad type for classifiers in the check command would also be
acceptable for 3.5, or to catch it earlier, a check in the Distribution class
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>From http://jamie.curle.io/blog/my-first-experience-adding-package-pypi/ :
python setup.py upload
running upload
error: no dist file created in earlier command
I thought I was going mad because I could see the dist file, it was right
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The main issue with the proposed changes is that it redefines what “the Python
standard library” is. Right now, users can mostly expect modules listed in the
official Python docs to be available in their installation, regardless of how
they got their Python.
I
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Victor, was this ticket kept open only for the backport to distutils2? If
everything is fixed in Python stdlib and docs, then it could be closed, as
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Not currently. Tests run automatically after a patch is merged, which is why
patch authors should run tests (especially if they’re changing something
missing tests, or adding a new feature and tests for it
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I’m more inclined to use the proposed patch rather than list2cmdline, given the
issue linked.
I would not like a fix for this to break people’s setup.py scripts; it would be
good to know if people work around this bug by monkey-patching the
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Agreed with Terry. Some Python modules are just wrappers for C modules, but
datetime.py is standalone so we can dispense with the link to _datetime.c.
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shutil.unpack_archive was extracted from distutils by Tarek. I can do some
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Thanks, the markup for built-in types is better. (You added hash to that list,
but it’s a function returning an int, not a type.)
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> By the way the section 13 is more about interactive Input editing,
> which is different concept from interactive mode.
I think these are the same thing. Can you explain more?
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Thanks for the patch, I left a couple notes on the review site
(http://bugs.python.org/review/16827/).
Ezio suggested moving the doc about floating point issues to an appendix too;
what’s your opinion on that?
I wonder if the advanced contents should be placed
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+Separate bulit-in types from functions and group similar functions
+--
This should not be in the patch. (I made the same remark on another issue,
please take reviews into account.)
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Thanks! To complete the patch, you should also delete the emacs.rst file
(patches created by Mercurial can represent file creation and deletion, not
only changes). The deleted content need to be added to the Python wiki (see
link to the PythonEditors page in a
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The task here is to work from Ezio’s patch* and edit it to take into account
Terry’s replies and your own opinions about what wording is best.
* http://docs.python.org/devguide/faq.html#how-do-i-apply-a-patch
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Yes, it’s that file. The source is compiler.rst in this repository:
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Thanks for the patch, will apply.
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Were you able to reproduce the bug before you changed the code? I saw clean
text when registering a release with success, and clean text too when trying to
register a release for a project I was not owner of
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