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STINNER Victor added the comment: I merged my PR 4199 (Document PyObject_Malloc()) and PR 4200 (Cleanup pymalloc) to prepare PR 4089. PR 4089 should now be completed and well tested. The real question is now if we need PyMem_AlignedAlloc()? Stefan Krah and Nathaniel Smith are interested by a

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Stefan Krah added the comment: > For large allocations, you'll probably be better off implementing your own > aligned allocator on top of calloc than implementing your own calloc on top > of an aligned allocator. (It's O(1) overhead versus O(n).) And once you're > doing that you might want to

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STINNER Victor added the comment: New changeset 9ed83c40855b57c10988f76770a4eb825e034cd8 by Victor Stinner in branch 'master': bpo-18835: Cleanup pymalloc (#4200) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/9ed83c40855b57c10988f76770a4eb825e034cd8 -- ___

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Nathaniel Smith added the comment: > But since no fast (kernel-zeroed) aligned_calloc() exists, I must use > memset() anyway. For large allocations, you'll probably be better off implementing your own aligned allocator on top of calloc than implementing your own calloc on top of an aligned

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Stefan Krah added the comment: On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 02:55:04PM +, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > 3) also it's not clear what the best approach will look like, given that we > care a lot about using calloc when possible, and have reason to prefer using > regular freeing functions whenever poss

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Antoine Pitrou added the comment: Le 31/10/2017 à 15:55, Nathaniel Smith a écrit : > > 1) numpy hasn't actually come to a decision about whether to use aligned > allocation at all, or under what circumstances. This isn't the Numpy bug tracker, but I can't help but mention that if Numpy grew a

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Nathaniel Smith added the comment: > Can you elaborate why numpy wouldn't use this new API? I designed it with > numpy in mind :-) The reasons I had in mind are: 1) numpy hasn't actually come to a decision about whether to use aligned allocation at all, or under what circumstances. 2) if we

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STINNER Victor added the comment: Stefan Krah: "we care about the C11 restriction? (...) "size - number of bytes to allocate. An integral multiple of alignment" (...) posix_memalign and _aligned_malloc don't care about the multiple." I prefer to ignore this restriction at this point. I would

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STINNER Victor added the comment: Nathaniel Smith: "Given the complexities here, and that the Track/Untrack functions are public now, I do wonder if the actual aligned allocation routines should just be an internal API (i.e., not exposed in Python.h)." I don't see why we would hide PyMem_Alig

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STINNER Victor added the comment: Nathaniel: "(...) and numpy won't necessarily use this API anyway." Can you elaborate why numpy wouldn't use this new API? I designed it with numpy in mind :-) Using PyMem_AlignedAlloc() instead of using directly posix_memalign()/_aligned_alloc() provides th

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Nathaniel Smith added the comment: Given the complexities here, and that the Track/Untrack functions are public now, I do wonder if the actual aligned allocation routines should just be an internal API (i.e., not exposed in Python.h). -- ___ Python

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Stefan Krah added the comment: > The ways we've discussed using aligned allocation in numpy wouldn't follow > this requirement without special checking. Which isn't necessarily a big > deal, and numpy won't necessarily use this API anyway. But I would suggest > being very clear about exactly

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Nathaniel Smith added the comment: > On the other hand, sane requests will have the exact multiple most of the > time anyway. The ways we've discussed using aligned allocation in numpy wouldn't follow this requirement without special checking. Which isn't necessarily a big deal, and numpy w

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STINNER Victor added the comment: PR 4089 becomes much more larger than what I expected, so I propose to defer enhancements to following PR, especially the idea of "emulating" PyMem_AlignedAlloc() on top of PyMem_Malloc() if the user calls PyMem_SetAllocators() without implemented aligned_all

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Stefan Krah added the comment: Should we care about the C11 restriction? http://en.cppreference.com/w/c/memory/aligned_alloc "size - number of bytes to allocate. An integral multiple of alignment" posix_memalign and _aligned_malloc don't care about the multiple. On the other hand, sane req

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Nathaniel Smith added the comment: > I'm not sure that it's a good idea to provide a "aligned malloc" fallback if > such fallback would be inefficient. For example, we would have to > overallocate the memory block not only for the requested alignement, but also > allocates extra sizeof(size_t

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Xavier de Gaye added the comment: Android has both memalign() [1] and posix_memalign() [2] and does not have aligned_alloc(), posix_memalign() is a wrapper around memalign() [3]. [1] https://android.googlesource.com/platform/bionic/+/master/libc/include/malloc.h#38 [2] https://android.google

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Stefan Krah added the comment: > In Python 3.7, should we also add the "aligned alloc" requirement? Linux, BSD, OSX, MSVC should be covered. According to Stackoverflow MinGW has an internal function. Android, I don't know. Xavier? -- nosy: +xdegaye ___

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STINNER Victor added the comment: Currently, the main question on my PR 4089 was raised by Antoine Pitrou: "Do people have to provide aligned_alloc and aligned_free? Or can they leave those pointers NULL and get a default implementation?" My reply: "Currently, you must provide all allocator fu

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Stefan Krah added the comment: [me] > This weakens my use case somewhat [...] I looked at Victor's patch, and thanks to the alignment <= ALIGNMENT optimization it seems that always using the aligned_alloc() and aligned_free() versions for a specific pointer is fast. Nice! So I retract the weak

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Benjamin Peterson added the comment: Having the ability to allocated aligned memory could help avoid some undefined behavior. See #27987 (though, we only need 16-byte alignment there) -- nosy: +benjamin.peterson ___ Python tracker

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Stefan Krah added the comment: On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 09:16:08PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > The Arrow memory format for example recommends 64 bit alignment. > > I presume you mean 64 bytes? Yes, I was typing too fast. -- ___ Python tracker

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Antoine Pitrou added the comment: By the way: > The Arrow memory format for example recommends 64 bit alignment. I presume you mean 64 bytes? -- ___ Python tracker ___ __

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Nathaniel Smith added the comment: There's also aligned calloc, which no native APIs support but is still quite useful. -- ___ Python tracker ___ _

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Stefan Krah added the comment: On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:16:53PM +, STINNER Victor wrote: > Memory allocated by PyMem_AlignedAlloc() must be freed with > PyMem_AlignedFree(). > > We cannot reuse PyMem_Free(). On Windows, PyMem_AlignedAlloc() is implemented > with _aligned_malloc() which

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STINNER Victor added the comment: I added _PyTraceMalloc_Track() and _PyTraceMalloc_Untrack() private functions to the C API in Python 3.6. These functions were made public in Python 3.7: renamed to PyTraceMalloc_Track() and PyTraceMalloc_Untrack(). I made this change to allow numpy to trace

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Stefan Krah added the comment: Yes, I think it is partly convenience. I want to set ... ndt_mallocfunc = PyMem_Malloc; ndt_alignedallocfunc = PyMem_AlignedAlloc; ndt_callocfunc = PyMem_Calloc; ndt_reallocfunc = PyMem_Realloc; ndt_freefunc = PyMem_Free; ... so I can always just c

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Antoine Pitrou added the comment: Do you need aligned allocation even on small objects? The Python allocator doesn't handle allocations > 512 bytes. -- ___ Python tracker ___

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Stefan Krah added the comment: I need this too. I would like to set this https://github.com/plures/ndtypes/commit/c260fdbae707da0dfefef499621a0a9f37a3e509#diff-2402fff6223084b74d97237c0d620b29R50 to something line PyMem_AlignedAlloc(), because the Python allocator is faster. I think many peo

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STINNER Victor added the comment: Antoine Pitrou: "Benchmarks and Intel's recommendation show that aligned allocation is actually important for AVX performance, and NumPy depends on CPython providing the right allocation APIs (for integration with tracemalloc): https://github.com/numpy/numpy/i

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Antoine Pitrou added the comment: Due to the realloc() problem, I'm thinking that the best course for Numpy would be to use its own allocator wrapper like Nathaniel outligned. Also, Numpy wants calloc() for faster allocation of zeroed arrays... -- __

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STINNER Victor added the comment: You cannot just add a new domain because the function prototypes are different (need an extra alignement parameter). You have to add new members to the structure or add a new structure. -- ___ Python tracker

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Nathaniel Smith added the comment: Re: msg232219: If you go down the route of adding both aligned_malloc and aligned_free to the Allocator structure, I think you might as well support it for all domains? For the PyMem and PyObject domains you can just literally set the default functions to be

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Antoine Pitrou added the comment: Le 05/12/2014 23:15, STINNER Victor a écrit : > > > I don't think that we need 3 flavors of allocators (PyMem_Raw, > PyMem, PyObject). > > Maybe the PYMEM_DOMAIN_RAW domain is enough: OS functions don't require the GIL. In this case, should we add a new pair o

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Nathaniel Smith added the comment: It's not terribly difficult to write a crude-but-effective aligned allocator on top of raw malloc: def aligned_malloc(size, alignment): assert alignment < 255 raw_pointer = (uint8*) malloc(size + alignment) shift = alignment - (raw_pointer % alignm

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STINNER Victor added the comment: PyMem_GetAllocator() and PyMem_SetAllocator() have a domain parameter which can take 3 values: PYMEM_DOMAIN_RAW, PYMEM_DOMAIN_MEM and PYMEM_DOMAIN_OBJ. I don't think that we need 3 flavors of allocators (PyMem_Raw, PyMem, PyObject). Maybe the PYMEM_DOMAIN_RAW

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Antoine Pitrou added the comment: > How should we handle platforms which don't provide a memory allocator > with an alignment? The simplest option is to return NULL (MemoryError). Are there such platforms? posix_memalign() is a POSIX standard, even OpenBSD has it. -- _

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STINNER Victor added the comment: Windows provides: void * _aligned_malloc( size_t size, size_t alignment ); http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/8z34s9c6%28v=vs.80%29.aspx How should we handle platforms which don't provide a memory allocator with an alignment? The simplest option

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Antoine Pitrou added the comment: Benchmarks and Intel's recommendation show that aligned allocation is actually important for AVX performance, and NumPy depends on CPython providing the right allocation APIs (for integration with tracemalloc): https://github.com/numpy/numpy/issues/5312 So I

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STINNER Victor added the comment: It looks like a memory allocator with a given alignment would help numpy, for SIMD instructions: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2014-April/134092.html (but "Numpy does not currently use aligned allocation, and it's not clear how important it is")

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STINNER Victor added the comment: Linux provides the following functions: int posix_memalign(void **memptr, size_t alignment, size_t size); void *valloc(size_t size); # obsolete void *memalign(size_t boundary, size_t size); # obsolete Windows provides the following functions: void* _aligned_

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Antoine Pitrou added the comment: > We don't have to align EVERY data structure. But I do have immediate > beneficial use cases for set tables and for data blocks in deque > objects. Can you explain what the use cases are, and post some benchmarking code? Also, what would be the strategy? Woul

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Charles-François Natali added the comment: > Please don't FUD this one to death. Aligned memory access is > sometimes important and we currently have no straight-forward > way to achieve it. I guess that a simple way to cut the discussion short would be to have a first implementation, and run

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Raymond Hettinger added the comment: Attaching a patch for what I would like to do with the alignment functions and macros. -- keywords: +patch Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file31543/align.diff ___ Python tracker

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Raymond Hettinger added the comment: > Adding yet another API to allocate memory has a cost Please don't FUD this one to death. Aligned memory access is sometimes important and we currently have no straight-forward way to achieve it. If you're truly worried about adding single new function t

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