Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-14 Thread Yury Selivanov
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:07 PM Brett Cannon wrote: [..] >> Ideally Guido would accept the PEP but I'm not sure if he is willing to. If >> that is indeed the case then how should this be done so that the document is >> universally accepted by all committers? > > > In my ideal scenario, people w

Re: [python-committers] PEP stewardship delegation: the minimal change approach

2018-07-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 14 July 2018 at 19:36, Paul Moore wrote: > On 14 July 2018 at 08:05, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> So stealing Brett's excellent suggestion of "Design Steward" as a >> BDFL-independent term for the current BDFL-Delegate role, a potential >> PEP 1 amendment for the appointment process would be: > > I'

Re: [python-committers] Identify roles of the BDFL

2018-07-14 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 15:56 Brett Cannon, wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 17:11 Carol Willing, wrote: > >> On Jul 13, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: >> >> On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 03:44 Victor Stinner wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> 2018-07-12 19:12 GMT+02:00 Mariatta Wijaya : >>> >>> >>> *

Re: [python-committers] possible future PEP discussion format [was: Transfer of power]

2018-07-14 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 13:14 Neil Schemenauer, wrote: > On 2018-07-13, Ethan Furman wrote: > > I stopped reading the PEP 572 threads once it was painfully > > obvious that almost all new replies were just saying the same > > things over and over and over... > > Perhaps this can be seen as a kind o

Re: [python-committers] Identify roles of the BDFL

2018-07-14 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 17:11 Carol Willing, wrote: > On Jul 13, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 03:44 Victor Stinner wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> 2018-07-12 19:12 GMT+02:00 Mariatta Wijaya : >> >> >> * Diversity. Last years, the BDFL was a strong player to enhance the

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-14 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 00:16 Łukasz Langa wrote: > > > On Jul 13, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Tim Peters wrote: > > > > If there are 3 Elders [snip] > > > It looks like the number 3 is popular in this context. What makes it so > attractive? > I think because it's small enough to be manageable and have co

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-14 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim] > > If there are 3 Elders [snip] > [Łukasz Langa] > It looks like the number 3 is popular in this context. What makes it so > attractive? > Likely because it was the first specific non-insane number someone mentioned. It helps to be concrete, but I don't know that anyone is wedded to 3.

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-14 Thread Giampaolo Rodola'
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 4:58 PM Guido van Rossum wrote: > > Now that PEP 572 is done, I don't ever want to have to fight so hard for a > PEP and find that so many people despise my decisions. > > I would like to remove myself entirely from the decision process. I'll still > be there for a while

Re: [python-committers] PEP stewardship delegation: the minimal change approach

2018-07-14 Thread Paul Moore
On 14 July 2018 at 08:05, Nick Coghlan wrote: > So stealing Brett's excellent suggestion of "Design Steward" as a > BDFL-independent term for the current BDFL-Delegate role, a potential > PEP 1 amendment for the appointment process would be: I've only got one peripheral point to make here, but ca

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-14 Thread Łukasz Langa
> On Jul 13, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Tim Peters wrote: > > If there are 3 Elders [snip] It looks like the number 3 is popular in this context. What makes it so attractive? I see a bunch of problems with such a low number, like the ability for a single corporation to take over the design process o

[python-committers] PEP stewardship delegation: the minimal change approach

2018-07-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
Hi folks, While I think the threads suggesting that we treat Guido's retirement as an opportunity to conduct a critical self-review of our community governance structures and practices are an excellent idea, I also want to note that there's only a relatively minimal change required to PEP 1 to per