[python-committers] Comparison of the 7 governance PEPs

2018-11-05 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi Paul, Le sam. 3 nov. 2018 à 11:55, Paul Moore a écrit : > Currently, I feel like my only option is to abstain and hope - I don't > have the time (or knowledge) to review, understand and assess the > proposals well enough to make an informed vote, but I have no way of > assessing the "expert

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 05/11/2018 à 23:08, Victor Stinner a écrit : > Le sam. 3 nov. 2018 à 10:39, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : >>> I'm unhappy with the "[] Further discussion" choice. We have a >>> governance crisis. Many people would like to see it resolved as soon >>> as possible, I don't see the ability to vote for

[python-committers] IMPORTANT: Missing Email Addresses for Governance Election Voter Roll

2018-11-05 Thread Donald Stufft
We need a list of core developers email addresses to send ballot emails to. Since PEP 8001 states that we’re using inclusion in the ``python-core`` team on GitHub as the list of “registered voters”, I wrote up a quick script that compiled a list of GitHub usernames in that team *today* and any

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Victor Stinner
Le sam. 3 nov. 2018 à 10:39, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > > I'm unhappy with the "[] Further discussion" choice. We have a > > governance crisis. Many people would like to see it resolved as soon > > as possible, I don't see the ability to vote for "[] Further > > discussion" as a way to resolve

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Paul Moore
I'm going to quote multiple people here and respond to various comments at once. It's way harder doing so than it would have been in Discourse, so I'm sort of proving that for myself (but having said that, I was already aware of, and fine with, the idea that Discourse does stuff like this better -

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Tim Peters
[Paul Moore ] > I did consider what I would have done on Discourse, and came to the > conclusion that I would have done exactly the same - I've no idea how > Discourse would help with a "here's some things I thought of that I > felt needed saying while reading this thread" post. It wouldn't, and

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 11:29, Paul Moore wrote: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 19:11, Brett Cannon wrote: > >> I'd like to spend some time reviewing the proposals and understanding > >> the options we're being asked to vote on, but I do *not* want to waste > >> time reviewing proposals that are still

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Nov 5, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > > Hmm, so voting opens immediately after the PEPs are finalised? No > discussion/debate period before that? Maybe I misunderstood, I'd > assumed that this would be more similar to an election process, with a > period of canvassing support

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 11:22, Paul Moore wrote: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 19:11, Brett Cannon wrote: > > >> Anyhow, this is probably a bit off-topic again. > > > > Yes, but that's a drawback to mailing lists in my opinion and it's hard > to avoid. :) > > I did consider what I would have done on

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Paul Moore
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 19:11, Brett Cannon wrote: >> I'd like to spend some time reviewing the proposals and understanding >> the options we're being asked to vote on, but I do *not* want to waste >> time reviewing proposals that are still in flux. How do I know when I >> can do that? > > I think

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Paul Moore
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 19:11, Brett Cannon wrote: >> Anyhow, this is probably a bit off-topic again. > > Yes, but that's a drawback to mailing lists in my opinion and it's hard to > avoid. :) I did consider what I would have done on Discourse, and came to the conclusion that I would have done

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 10:53, Paul Moore wrote: > On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 15:25, Steve Dower wrote: > > For example, right now, I'm leaning towards 8013, 8010, 8016, 8011, > > 8012, 8015, 8014. But since some are still in flux (particularly 8016), > > that could change. And my core rationale is

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

2018-11-05 Thread Brett Cannon
Everyone who has spoken up on my behalf is right: I personally never viewed the poll as binding. When I first suggested doing the poll my schedule outline included a day to discuss the results as never considered it something that was an objective thing to follow (I think we ended up with about

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-05 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > As one example of my confusion here, > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-8016/ is currently a 404. Sorry about that – there's a thread here with background: