Re: [python-committers] Statistics: growth of core dev number vs growth of the code size/complexity

2017-12-08 Thread Victor Stinner
Ezio: > Nowadays the situation is much better, Python is more stable and > mature, and what's left is more difficult, obscure, or controversial. > There are still new modules and features being added and ISTM that > most of the new core devs are working on those (e.g. > asyncio/typing/etc), but oth

Re: [python-committers] Statistics: growth of core dev number vs growth of the code size/complexity

2017-12-08 Thread Ezio Melotti
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 at 15:17 Victor Stinner wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wrote a quick & dirty parser to compute statistics on *new* CPython >> core developer per year using the following page as data: >> https://devguide.python.org/developers/

Re: [python-committers] Statistics: growth of core dev number vs growth of the code size/complexity

2017-12-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 at 15:17 Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > I wrote a quick & dirty parser to compute statistics on *new* CPython > core developer per year using the following page as data: > https://devguide.python.org/developers/ > > 2007: 15 > 2008: 19 > 2009: 11 > 2010: 20 > 2011: 12 > 2012:

Re: [python-committers] Statistics: growth of core dev number vs growth of the code size/complexity

2017-12-06 Thread Berker Peksağ
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:17 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > I wrote a quick & dirty parser to compute statistics on *new* CPython > core developer per year using the following page as data: > https://devguide.python.org/developers/ > > 2007: 15 > 2008: 19 > 2009: 11 > 2010: 20 > 2011: 12 > 201

Re: [python-committers] Statistics: growth of core dev number vs growth of the code size/complexity

2017-12-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 7 December 2017 at 10:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 12:17:04AM +0100, Victor Stinner wrote: > >> If you look at the size of the source code, it's still growing >> constanly since 1990: >> https://www.openhub.net/p/python/ >> >> 2007: around 783k lines >> 2010: around 683k

Re: [python-committers] Statistics: growth of core dev number vs growth of the code size/complexity

2017-12-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Dec 6, 2017, at 18:17, Victor Stinner wrote: > I wrote a quick & dirty parser to compute statistics on *new* CPython > core developer per year using the following page as data: > https://devguide.python.org/developers/ > > 2007: 15 > 2008: 19 > 2009: 11 > 2010: 20 > 2011: 12 > 2012: 9 > 2013:

Re: [python-committers] Statistics: growth of core dev number vs growth of the code size/complexity

2017-12-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 12:17:04AM +0100, Victor Stinner wrote: > If you look at the size of the source code, it's still growing > constanly since 1990: > https://www.openhub.net/p/python/ > > 2007: around 783k lines > 2010: around 683k lines What happened between 2007 and 2010 that the source s

Re: [python-committers] Statistics: growth of core dev number vs growth of the code size/complexity

2017-12-06 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 07/12/2017 à 00:17, Victor Stinner a écrit : > > Maybe we have a problem with mentoring. Maybe the CPython code base > became too hard to train newcomers? Maybe we are too conservative? I > don't know. The language moved at a faster pace back then (especially with Python 3), which made it eas

[python-committers] Statistics: growth of core dev number vs growth of the code size/complexity

2017-12-06 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, I wrote a quick & dirty parser to compute statistics on *new* CPython core developer per year using the following page as data: https://devguide.python.org/developers/ 2007: 15 2008: 19 2009: 11 2010: 20 2011: 12 2012: 9 2013: 4 2014: 10 2015: 2 2016: 5 2017: 2 Compare these numbers to Stéph