Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

2018-11-03 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 02/11/2018 à 17:30, Victor Stinner a écrit : > >> There are much simpler and >> more approachable projects out there if they'd like to learn >> contributing to open source software. > > Exactly. This is why we fail to convert volunteer contributors to core > developers. They fly away because

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

2018-11-03 Thread Steve Dower
On 03Nov2018 1006, Tal Einat wrote: My mentoring would aim to bring experienced developers to the point where they can consistently create high-quality PRs, requiring mostly high-level decisions from the experts. This is a great point, and I'm supportive of having "general reviewers" who can

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

2018-11-03 Thread Tal Einat
I'll try to address some of the points brought up here without trying to "sell" this too much. To reiterate: I'm suggesting the "Mentorship Program" only because of an apparent lack of regular contributors, many devs who would like to be mentored, and a low availability of core devs for mentoring.

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

2018-11-02 Thread Steve Dower
On 02Nov2018 0933, Victor Stinner wrote: Mentoring is an investment in the long term. Is it better to pay someone to review and merge PRs? Reviewing PRs is also a way to help and train contributors. It's not very different from mentoring, depending on your definition of mentoring :-) The probl

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

2018-11-02 Thread Victor Stinner
Le ven. 2 nov. 2018 à 14:55, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > As a side note, I'm not against the general principle of funding some > mentorship or other contribution-related activity. I'm just unsure that > this would be money well spent. This is a good question. We already a lot of core developers,

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

2018-11-02 Thread Victor Stinner
Le 02/11/2018 à 14:19, Tal Einat a écrit : > > I am learning that > > effectively mentoring a developer requires being able to spend a good > > amount of time nearly daily on such mentoring. It really depends on the availability and skills of the mentoree. I have mentorees who are very busy and so

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

2018-11-02 Thread Tal Einat
Hi Antoine, On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:38 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Le 02/11/2018 à 14:19, Tal Einat a écrit : > > > > I would also like to work towards these goals. I have recently invested > > more time on the core-mentorship mailing list and Zulip stream, as well > > as doing my best to me

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

2018-11-02 Thread Antoine Pitrou
As a side note, I'm not against the general principle of funding some mentorship or other contribution-related activity. I'm just unsure that this would be money well spent. Regards Antoine. Le 02/11/2018 à 14:37, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > > Le 02/11/2018 à 14:19, Tal Einat a écrit : >> >>

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

2018-11-02 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 02/11/2018 à 14:19, Tal Einat a écrit : > > I would also like to work towards these goals. I have recently invested > more time on the core-mentorship mailing list and Zulip stream, as well > as doing my best to mentor two promising developers. However, my free > time is becoming increasingly

[python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

2018-11-02 Thread Tal Einat
*tl;dr:* I’d like to apply for a PSF grant to mentor several developers towards becoming active contributors and hopefully core-devs. 1. What do you think? Any +1/-1 would be very helpful. 2. I'm looking for info on how successful mentoring has been in getting more contributors. Any such info or