Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 3:17 AM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > A couple days ago Nathaniel pushed significant changes to his governance > PEP (PEP 8016). This means some governance PEPs are apparently still > *not* finalized. This raises a problem: when can we consider that we > are reading the final v

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Victor Stinner
I maintain a Version History in my PEP 8015: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-8015/#version-history Victor Le lun. 19 nov. 2018 à 12:24, Nathaniel Smith a écrit : > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 3:17 AM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > A couple days ago Nathaniel pushed significant changes to his govern

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Paul Moore
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 11:24, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > Thanks for raising this. It's an important issue and one where I've > been struggling too. > > I'll put my conclusion first. My suggestion: > > - We do allow changes to the PEPs until the actual voting starts, but > not afterwards > - We leave

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Steve Dower
On 19Nov2018 0530, Paul Moore wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 11:24, Nathaniel Smith wrote: - Steve Dower is considering withdrawing PEP 8013 entirely [4], which if it happens would be a major substantive change to PEP 8013 that voters would want to know about! Knowing about it - definitely. Bu

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Paul Moore
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 16:32, Steve Dower wrote: > FWIW, I'm thinking about withdrawing it because PEP 8016 captures my > highest priorities (specifically, core developers don't have a monopoly > on decision-making skills, and don't apply unnecessary constraints on > whoever leads in this PEP). Th

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Steve Dower
On 19Nov2018 0838, Paul Moore wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 16:32, Steve Dower wrote: FWIW, I'm thinking about withdrawing it because PEP 8016 captures my highest priorities (specifically, core developers don't have a monopoly on decision-making skills, and don't apply unnecessary constraints o

Re: [python-committers] How do you find Discourse so far?

2018-11-19 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 06:00:01PM +0100, Łukasz Langa wrote: > Here's a poll: > https://discuss.python.org/t/how-do-you-find-discourse-so-far/429 In the poll, you say: "I think we’ve had enough exposure now for you to have an informed opinion on the tool." How many core devs have signed up wit

Re: [python-committers] A plea to stop last-minute changes to governance PEPs

2018-11-19 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 5:30 AM Paul Moore wrote: > My feeling, however, is that the PEPs that are having the most trouble > with this are the ones that are trying to pin down too much detail. > Sure (to pick a random example), it's ultimately going to be important > that a council have a clear id