Re: [python-committers] branches and merging

2010-03-02 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 15:17, Barry Warsaw wrote: > We really need to move to a dvcs for development sooner rather than later. > It's been a year since the decision was made.  I understand that it will suck > for Windows developers in the short term, but with all the discussion about > the PSF pay

Re: [python-committers] branches and merging

2010-03-02 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 17:12, Steve Holden wrote: > And does it look like a non-issue because you are familiar with the > Windows environment or because your imagination can't conceive of why it > would be a real problem? Does going ahead make development more > difficult for the Windows platform?

Re: [python-committers] branches and merging

2010-03-02 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 17:52, Michael Foord wrote: > What is the risk of going ahead with a broken system? > > The crux of the matter is that building Python for Windows could break if > someone accidentally commits the wrong line-endings for a few specific files > (Visual Studio project and confi

Re: [python-committers] branches and merging

2010-03-02 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 18:01, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >> The risk *seems* reasonably low, people on non-Windows platforms are >> unlikely to touch those files and they are unlikely to be edited by hand, >> and if the cost of fixing the problem is low it seems reasonable to

Re: [python-committers] branches and merging

2010-03-02 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 20:36, Brett Cannon wrote: > Dirkjan would know where the patch is. It's in hg.python.org/pymigr (and was previously announced in my status report on python-dev, I think that was on Feb 10). Cheers, Dirkjan ___ python-committers

Re: [python-committers] branches and merging

2010-03-02 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 22:51, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > IIUC, it's not just the EOL issue. There are tons of other things to be > done, and nobody willing to do them - everybody just wants them to be done. I wouldn't say there are tons of things, but yes, even if we decided to punt on the whole

Re: [python-committers] Unapproved commits after 2.6.5rc1

2010-03-03 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 14:03, Eric Smith wrote: > Thanks, that's helpful. > > But that's manually maintained, right? I was hoping to get something > generated from the svn configuration. > > Unfortunately python-committers doesn't have real names for everyone, so > it's impossible to match up deve

Re: [python-committers] branches and merging

2010-03-09 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 03:13, Jesus Cea wrote: > This is a really excellent suggestion, and the perfect excuse to get > familiar with MQ, that I haven't tried yet. > > I have a strange error: > > """ > [j...@babylon5 home]$ hg clone http://hg.python.org/cpython/ > destination directory: cpython >

Re: [python-committers] branches and merging

2010-03-15 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 00:11, Jesus Cea wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 03/10/2010 04:30 PM, Jesus Cea wrote: >> On 03/10/2010 08:29 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >>> So, in the meantime, if you have ssh access, make your clone via ssh. &

Re: [python-committers] Frozen branches in Hg

2010-03-15 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 00:40, Georg Brandl wrote: > Thinking of that a bit more: after the Hg transition, shouldn't we be able to > really freeze a branch that is in pre-release approval-needed mode?  It is > trivial for anyone to commit a fix to their own branch, and then instead of > pushing th

Re: [python-committers] py3k vs trunk branches

2010-04-12 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 09:35, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > Since the 2.x line is now feature frozen (since 2.7 is the last 2.x > release and we have reached beta), most new developments will start in > the py3k branch. > I was wondering if it wouldn't make sense to rename the current trunk > to /py26 and

Re: [python-committers] Delaying 3.2 release

2010-06-29 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 15:12, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I really think we need to make the switch to Mercurial as soon as 2.7 final is > out.  It's been long enough. I got back into working on it last week (using a branch map to clean up all the feature branches we're going to shed for the conversio

Re: [python-committers] changes after 2.7 final

2010-07-02 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:02, Georg Brandl wrote: > While that would be logical if we continued to use SVN, it's probably not > worth it when we switch to Hg anyway a short time later, so avoiding the > potential confusion is better. Agreed, renaming the branch has the potential of making the con

Re: [python-committers] Mercurial Status?

2010-08-01 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 15:49, Jesus Cea wrote: > How is migration to Mercurial going?. Showstoppers?. I've been gone for a week and am just now catching up, but a lot of progress has been made on hgsubversion fixes. I have a problem on the box where I run the conversion though, and I'm trying to

Re: [python-committers] Deny nonbreaking spaces in the precommit script?

2010-11-08 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
2010/11/8 Łukasz Langa : > I see you're basically saying "We're all adults here" and that we should be > able to control our own environment so these kinds of commits don't happen > (like Guido said). Well guess what, I believe that isn't going to work. Let > me tell you why. I must say I kind of

Re: [python-committers] Deny nonbreaking spaces in the precommit script?

2010-11-08 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
2010/11/8 Michael Foord : > You mean `make patchcheck` isn't *already* part of your workflow? Seems easier to me if I don't have to issue a separate command for it... Cheers, Dirkjan ___ python-committers mailing list [email protected] http:

[python-committers] New hg repo ssh URIs

2010-11-24 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
All ssh repos can now be accessed by using ssh://[email protected]/repo instead of ssh://[email protected]/repos/repo. While the old way should continue to work, the new address should be considered preferable. Cheers, Dirkjan ___ python-committers ma

Re: [python-committers] New hg repo ssh URIs

2010-11-25 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 15:57, Eric Smith wrote: > I'd suggest deleting the /repos/ URIs eventually (as in before the end of > the year). I don't see the need to keep them around and have the maintenance > burden. Maybe, but it's currently like three lines in a script, not as if there's a huge ma

Re: [python-committers] Blocking feature backports

2010-12-05 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 16:25, Georg Brandl wrote: > As sad as it is, that's true.  It's just unfair to developers and > infrastructure providers to switch on such a short notice without a > testing period. Yeah, I'm very sorry. The last step in the conversion has proven pretty annoying to get rig

Re: [python-committers] Providing .tgz sources

2010-12-05 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 14:58, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > I just wondered why, in light of my having missed the "in addition to", we > would need to move to xz only, given that disk space is relatively cheap as > opposed to the real code, et cetera. Because bandwidth is much more expen

Re: [python-committers] Create a Mercurial repository with a branch per issue

2011-02-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 14:31, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > That's why I think it's much cleaner to work with mq to build a clean > single-commit patch,  even if a clone may be used for temporary states > and sharing. > > We are experiencing merge hell right now in Distutils2, as the > contributor list gro

Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] Code Simplicity » Open Source Community, Simplified

2011-02-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 16:49, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On the other hand, if *any* forward port naturally picks up all the > missed forward ports, then the Mercurial perspective starts to make > more sense (especially if the merge is able to exploit the DAG in > order to make fewer mistakes). That's

Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] Code Simplicity » Open Source Community, Simplified

2011-02-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 17:31, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> That's exactly the idea of the Mercurial way. You type hg merge >> and it will merge everything from the other branch that >> hasn't been merged yet (where both "blocking", in svnmerge >> terminology, and merging count as having been merged).

Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] Code Simplicity » Open Source Community, Simplified

2011-02-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 17:36, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Doesn't that mean that the person doing the forward port will potentially have > to review a lot more code than the fix they specifically want to make? Potentially, yes. I would imagine in many cases (let's not count 2.x -> 3.x for now) the merg

Re: [python-committers] [PSF-Members] Code Simplicity » Open Source Community, Simplified

2011-02-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 17:51, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Sure.  I guess my question is, what do *you* do in that case?  Are you blocked > because I didn't do my job properly?  Can you tell your merge to ignore my > change so you can keep making progress, complete your patch, and send me a > nastygram t

Re: [python-committers] Use hg commit --user?

2011-03-06 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:23, Georg Brandl wrote: >> If I use hg commit --user, is it possible to see somewhere that the >> commiter was me? > > Basically, no.  If you want to honor contributors, put their name into > the commit message. You can still see who pushed it in the python-checkins emai

Re: [python-committers] Fwd: [Python-checkins] cpython (merge 2.7 -> 2.7): hg pull/merge - Changes to accomodate.

2011-04-06 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 16:08, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > I think the representation of merges as a diff against one of the > parents is indeed sub-optimal. OTOH, it's not easy to come up with > something better. This might be of interest: https://bitbucket.org/wolever/hg-mergediff/. Cheers, Dirkja

Re: [python-committers] Mercurial upgrade

2011-07-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 21:01, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > I've upgraded the Mercurial version on hg.python.org to 1.9. > Also, I've enabled the experimental "generaldelta" repository feature on > the server, which makes the repository smaller (down from ~350 MB to > ~190 MB), regardless of the client

Re: [python-committers] Anatoly Techtonik's contribution

2012-11-07 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: >> If that fails, banning him would show that we care about the quality of >> communication and technical prowess is no excuse for abusive behavior. > > The problem is how do we do that? Do the owners of various systems take it > upon themselves

Re: [python-committers] Anatoly Techtonik's contribution

2012-11-07 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > imagine it must be pretty lonely being the only geek with deep Python > knowledge and interest in Minsk. I don't want to distract from your point, but I'm not sure the underlying assumption is warranted here. I happen to have met a few pre

Re: [python-committers] Anatoly Techtonik's contribution

2012-11-07 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:08 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > If losing him was the only consequence this would be pretty much a > no-brainer. However, it is likely the consequences of a general ban > would be more widespread than that (negative publicity, etc). Not sure I agree with that. As a parti

Re: [python-committers] hg clone cpython newrepo aborts

2013-05-28 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > While trying to clone a cpython repo to a new repo. I am getting this error. > > getting Lib/idlelib/idle.bat > getting Lib/idlelib/idle.py > getting Lib/idlelib/idle.pyw > getting Lib/idlelib/idle_test/@README.txt > abort: data/Lib/idlelib

Re: [python-committers] Interview with Coverity

2013-07-17 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: > CPython core development heavily relies on automatic tests. We are > using buildbot for continuous integration since at least 2006. About > 40 buildbot instances to run 10k test cases on different of platforms > and architectures: Linux (m

Re: [python-committers] PEP 462: Workflow automation for CPython

2014-01-25 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote: > Interesting. Chromium has something kind-of similar, named "commit queue", > for developers without actual commit access. Once they get an LGTM, the > thing rolls automatically. In fact, core developers often find it useful too > because the

Re: [python-committers] How shall we conduct the Python 3.5 beta and rc periods? (Please vote!)

2015-05-12 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Larry Hastings wrote: > BTW, this workload was exacerbated by my foolish desire to keep the revision > DAG nice and clean. So I was actually starting over from scratch and > redoing all the cherry-picking every couple of days, just so I could get all > the cherry-