[Python-Dev] The other Py2.4 issue

2004-12-08 Thread Raymond Hettinger
Acceptance for Py2.4 partially hinges on how quickly third party apps have their binaries updated. I wonder if there is anything we can do to help. Raymond -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tuure Laurinolli Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 20

[Python-Dev] PyOS_InputHook enhancement proposal

2004-12-08 Thread Michiel Jan Laurens de Hoon
PyOS_InputHook is a pointer to a function that is called periodically (ten times per second) while Python is idle, for example, when waiting for a user command. Python C extension modules can set this pointer to a hook function defined in the extension module. For example, _tkinter.c makes use of P

RE: [Python-Dev] 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-08 Thread Raymond Hettinger
> One thing that bugs me: the article says 3 or 4 times that Python is > slow, each time with a refutation ("but it's so flexible", "but it's > fast enough") but still, they sure seem to harp on the point. This is > a PR issue that Python needs to fight -- any ideas? * Ask a prominent PSF member,

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-08 Thread Ilya Sandler
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Guido van Rossum wrote: > One thing that bugs me: the article says 3 or 4 times that Python is > slow, each time with a refutation ("but it's so flexible", "but it's > fast enough") but still, they sure seem to harp on the point. This is > a PR issue that Python needs to figh

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-08 Thread Andrew McGregor
Well, for a lot of applications for Python, the performance that really counts is time from no code but a pile of data to code and processed data. Python shines at that because nearly always the time to write the code dominates, so it doesn't matter what the run time is. I wrote a little to

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-08 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 01:25 AM 12/9/04 +0200, Stelios Xanthakis wrote: The only thing that will fix the PR issue is to have a Python compiler distributed as part of the language. It doesn't matter if it doesn't support the full generality of Python, or even if it doesn't speed many operations up much. The only rea

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-08 Thread holger krekel
[Guido van Rossum Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 02:18:48PM -0800] > I was pleasantly surprised to find a pointer to this article in a news > digest that the ACM emails me regularly (ACM TechNews). > > http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/28026-1.html > > One thing that bugs me: the article says 3 or 4 ti

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-08 Thread Neil Schemenauer
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 02:18:48PM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: > This is a PR issue that Python needs to fight -- any ideas? I'm not good at PR so I will continue to try to make it faster. In my copious free time I plan to: * finish the AST compiler (no performance benefit but makes

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-08 Thread Stelios Xanthakis
The only thing that will fix the PR issue is to have a Python compiler distributed as part of the language. It doesn't matter if it doesn't support the full generality of Python, or even if it doesn't speed many operations up much. The only real requirements are that it can be used to produce "

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-08 Thread damien morton
Guido van Rossum wrote: I was pleasantly surprised to find a pointer to this article in a news digest that the ACM emails me regularly (ACM TechNews). http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/28026-1.html One thing that bugs me: the article says 3 or 4 times that Python is slow, each time with a refut

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-08 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 02:18 PM 12/8/04 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: I was pleasantly surprised to find a pointer to this article in a news digest that the ACM emails me regularly (ACM TechNews). http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/28026-1.html One thing that bugs me: the article says 3 or 4 times that Python is s

[Python-Dev] 2.4 news reaches interesting places

2004-12-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
I was pleasantly surprised to find a pointer to this article in a news digest that the ACM emails me regularly (ACM TechNews). http://gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/28026-1.html One thing that bugs me: the article says 3 or 4 times that Python is slow, each time with a refutation ("but it's so fl