Re: [Python-Dev] Sourceforge CVS down?

2005-08-10 Thread Thomas Heller
Tim Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [Neil Schemenauer[ >> I've been getting: >> >> ssh: connect to host cvs.sourceforge.net port 22: Connection refused >> >> for the past few hours. Their "Site News" doesn't say anything >> about downtime. > > A cvs update doesn't work for me either now.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Migrating the Python CVS to Subversion

2005-08-10 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Nicholas Bastin wrote: > It's a mature product. I would hope that that would count for > something. I've had enough corrupted subversion repositories that I'm > not crazy about the thought of using it in a production system. I > know I'm not the only person with this experience. compared to Pe

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Migrating the Python CVS to Subversion

2005-08-10 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 8/10/05, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > in contrast, Perforce just runs and runs and runs. the clients always > do what you tell them. and server maintenance is trivial; just make sure > that the server starts when the host computer boots, and if you have > enough disk, just leave

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Migrating the Python CVS to Subversion

2005-08-10 Thread Charles Cazabon
Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm intrigued by Linus Torvald's preference for extremely distributed > source control, but I have no experience and it seems a bit, um, > experimental. "git", which is Linus' home-grown replacement for BitKeeper, quickly attracted a development com

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: Migrating the Python CVS to Subversion

2005-08-10 Thread Trent Mick
[Guido van Rossum wrote] > Also, P4 has *no* command to tell you which > files you've created without adding them to the repository yet -- so > the most frequent build breakage is caused by missing new files. This one is a frequent complaint from CVS-heads here at ActiveState. I have a p4 wrapper

[Python-Dev] Python + Ping

2005-08-10 Thread Joseh Martins
Hello Everybody, I´m a beginner in python dev.. Well, i need to implement a external ping command and get the results to view the output. How can I do that? Per example, i need to ping and IP address and need to know if the host is down or up. Tka a lot?

Re: [Python-Dev] pdb: should next command be extended?

2005-08-10 Thread Trent Mick
[Ilya Sandler wrote] > > > At OSCON, Anthony Baxter made the point that pdb is currently one of the > > more unPythonic modules. > > What is unpythonic about pdb? Is this part of Anthony's presentation > online? (Google found a summary and slides from presentation but they > don't say anything ab

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Ping

2005-08-10 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
Joseh Martins wrote: > I´m a beginner in python dev.. > > Well, i need to implement a external ping command and get the results > to view the output. How can I do that? > > Per example, i need to ping and IP address and need to know if the > host is down or up. python-dev is for discussion of t

Re: [Python-Dev] Python + Ping

2005-08-10 Thread Josiah Carlson
Your email is off-topic for python-dev, which is for the development OF Python. Repost your question on python-list. - Josiah Joseh Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Everybody, > > I´m a beginner in python dev.. > > Well, i need to implement a external ping command and get the r

Re: [Python-Dev] Exception Reorg PEP revised yet again

2005-08-10 Thread Raymond Hettinger
> > WindowsError > > > > > > This should be kept. Unlike module specific exceptions, this exception > > occurs in multiple places and diverse applications. It is appropriate > > to list as a builtin. > > > > "Too O/S specific" is not a reason for eliminating this. Looking at the > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Exception Reorg PEP revised yet again

2005-08-10 Thread Brett Cannon
On 8/10/05, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > WindowsError > > > > > > > > > This should be kept. Unlike module specific exceptions, this > exception > > > occurs in multiple places and diverse applications. It is > appropriate > > > to list as a builtin. > > > > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Exception Reorg PEP revised yet again

2005-08-10 Thread Raymond Hettinger
> > Then I don't follow what you mean by "moved under os". > > In other words, to get the exception, do ``from os import > WindowsError``. Unfortunately we don't have a generic win module to > put it under. Maybe in the platform module instead? -1 on either. The WindowsError exception needs to

Re: [Python-Dev] Exception Reorg PEP revised yet again

2005-08-10 Thread Brett Cannon
On 8/10/05, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Then I don't follow what you mean by "moved under os". > > > > In other words, to get the exception, do ``from os import > > WindowsError``. Unfortunately we don't have a generic win module to > > put it under. Maybe in the platform m

Re: [Python-Dev] Exception Reorg PEP revised yet again

2005-08-10 Thread Aahz
On Wed, Aug 10, 2005, Brett Cannon wrote: > On 8/10/05, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> If the name bugs you, I would support renaming it to PlatformError or >> somesuch. That would make it free for use with Mac errors and Linux >> errors. Also, it wouldn't tie a language featu

Re: [Python-Dev] Exception Reorg PEP revised yet again

2005-08-10 Thread Trent Mick
[Brett Cannon wrote] > Where is it used so much? In the stdlib, grepping for WindowsError > recursively in Lib in 2.4 turns up only one module raising it > (subprocess) and only two modules with a total of three places of > catching it (ntpath once, urllib twice). In Module, there are no > hits.

Re: [Python-Dev] Exception Reorg PEP revised yet again

2005-08-10 Thread Brett Cannon
On 8/10/05, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 10, 2005, Brett Cannon wrote: > > On 8/10/05, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> If the name bugs you, I would support renaming it to PlatformError or > >> somesuch. That would make it free for use with Mac errors and Li

[Python-Dev] Weekly Python Patch/Bug Summary

2005-08-10 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
Patch / Bug Summary ___ Patches : 352 open ( -2) / 2896 closed ( +8) / 3248 total ( +6) Bugs: 913 open ( +4) / 5162 closed (+10) / 6075 total (+14) RFE : 191 open ( +0) / 178 closed ( +0) / 369 total ( +0) New / Reopened Patches __ compiler

Re: [Python-Dev] Exception Reorg PEP revised yet again

2005-08-10 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Brett] > I can compromise to this if others prefer this alternative. Anybody > else have an opinion? We're not opinion shopping -- we're looking for analysis. Py3.0 is not supposed to just a Python variant -- it is supposed to be better. It is not about making compromises -- it is about only m

Re: [Python-Dev] Exception Reorg PEP revised yet again

2005-08-10 Thread Raymond Hettinger
> There > is a reason you listed writing a PEP on your own on the "School of > Hard Knocks" list; it isn't easy. I am trying my best here. Hang in there. Do what you can to make sure we get a result we can live with. -- R ___ Python-Dev mailing lis