Re: [Python-Dev] Path inherits from string

2006-01-28 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
> > See the steps I mentioned. Unless step #1 is completed there is no way > > to make the following code work: > > > > open(Path("foobar")) > > > > Well, there is one alternative which is: > > > > open(Path("foobar").tostring()) > > > > And that is a Java-esque workaraound that I think noo

Re: [Python-Dev] SourceForge Download Page, Subversion Home Page

2006-01-28 Thread Joe Smith
"Steve Holden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > You may be aware that Tim Parkin's work on our "next-generation" web > presence has borne fruit in the shape of beta.python.org. While there's > still a lot to be done Tim has given us a great start by creating a > frame

Re: [Python-Dev] / as path join operator

2006-01-28 Thread Neil Hodgson
Stephen J. Turnbull: > Jason> Filesystem paths are in fact strings on all operating > Jason> systems I'm aware of. > > I have no idea what you could mean by that. The data structure used > to represent a filesystem on all OS filesystems I've used is a graph > of directories and files. A

Re: [Python-Dev] (libffi) Re: Copyright issue

2006-01-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Andrew Pinski wrote: > Does phython already use autoconf? I think it does, if so then there > should be no issues. Yes, but your conclusion is wrong. Python uses autoconf, but not aclocal/automake. The generated configure is explicitly not covered by the GPL; the status of the generated aclocal.

Re: [Python-Dev] SourceForge Download Page, Subversion Home Page

2006-01-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > instead of spending more time and creativity on a sourceforge account > that's only used for tracking, how about moving the trackers to python.org ? That's an old plan. It failed so far because no volunteer ever appeared to make it happen (actually, some did appear, but didn

Re: [Python-Dev] (libffi) Re: Copyright issue

2006-01-28 Thread Bill Northcott
On 28/01/2006, at 10:41 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > You misunderstand the GPL. Section 2b) is pretty clear that any > application that contains GPL-licensed code must be, itself, > distributed > under the terms ofthe GPL Quite so, but using the autotools does NOT include any GPL code in the r

Re: [Python-Dev] (libffi) Re: Copyright issue

2006-01-28 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Martin" == Martin v Löwis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> Instead, it means we need a build process for libffi which is Martin> independent of autoconf (or convince the authors of aclocal.m4 to Martin> relicense it, but that is likely futile). Martin> As a matter of fact, Python itself

Re: [Python-Dev] (libffi) Re: Copyright issue

2006-01-28 Thread Andrew Pinski
On Jan 27, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Thomas Heller wrote: > > I guess I understood this already. The difference to the C > compiler is > that the compiler is not 'bundled' with Python, it is installed > separately. > > Can anyone of the python-dev core team comment: can we live with > the GPL > licen

Re: [Python-Dev] (libffi) Re: Copyright issue

2006-01-28 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Giovanni" == Giovanni Bajo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Giovanni> This would be a new interpretation of the license. The whole Giovanni> autotools chain is GPL and it is used on way too many Giovanni> programs which are not GPL. They're so many I won't even Giovanni> mention one. Anyway, IAN

Re: [Python-Dev] (libffi) Re: Copyright issue

2006-01-28 Thread Anthony Green
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 18:03 +0100, Thomas Heller wrote: > [I've added python-dev to cc:] > > Anthony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 17:08 +0100, Thomas Heller wrote: > >> Anyway, another question is: Is aclocal.m4 needed at all for building > >> (or maybe for regene

Re: [Python-Dev] Path inherits from string

2006-01-28 Thread Michael Hudson
BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [M.-A. Lemburg] >> I don't see why this is critical for the success of the Path >> object. I agree with Thomas that interfaces should be made >> compatible to Path object. > > See the steps I mentioned. Unless step #1 is completed there is no way > to

Re: [Python-Dev] DRAFT: python-dev Summary for 2006-01-01 through 2006-01-15

2006-01-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Ronald Oussoren wrote: > You have a point there. I'm not entirely convinced though, the argument > that Python would be a derived work of libffi's aclocal.m4 when libffi > were included in the Python repository seems very weak to me. The GPL says "contains or is derived from". Clearly, "identifia

Re: [Python-Dev] SourceForge Download Page, Subversion Home Page

2006-01-28 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Sorry, no HTML allowed there. > > I created a support request to change/remove the button at > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1417298&group_id=1&atid=21 instead of spending more time and creativity on a sourceforge account that's only used

Re: [Python-Dev] stabilizing builds

2006-01-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Thomas Wouters wrote: > I'd need developer access back to check it in, though. Unless anyone > objects, of course :) I copied ~/thomas/authorized_keys to ~pythondev/keys/thomas.wouters, changed ownership/permissions, and ran make_authorized_keys in the pythondev account. So you should have access

Re: [Python-Dev] DRAFT: python-dev Summary for 2006-01-01 through 2006-01-15

2006-01-28 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 28-jan-2006, at 0:53, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Ronald Oussoren wrote: Merging the two configure files might be a good idea anyway, that would take away the need to run configure from setup.py. IANAL, but I don't quite get how a GPL'd support script, if there is such a thing, in the b

Re: [Python-Dev] / as path join operator

2006-01-28 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Jason> Filesystem paths are in fact strings on all operating > Jason> systems I'm aware of. > > I have no idea what you could mean by that. The data structure used > to represent a filesystem on all OS filesystems I've used is a graph > of directories and file

Re: [Python-Dev] SourceForge Download Page, Subversion Home Page

2006-01-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Nick Coghlan wrote: > Is it possible to make that URL a hyperlink? No, all HTML gets stripped/quoted as text. > " The Python programming language, an object-oriented scripting and rapid > application development language. > Despite what the green button below says, you can NOT download it > dir

Re: [Python-Dev] (libffi) Re: Copyright issue

2006-01-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Bill Northcott wrote: > Quite so, but using the autotools does NOT include any GPL code in the > resulting program. Hmm. Please take a look at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/ctypes/ctypes/source/gcc/libffi/aclocal.m4?rev=1.1.4.1 This file contains a large number of licensing t