Kirat Singh wrote:
> Hi, this is my first python dev post, so please forgive me if this topic
> has already been discussed.
To my knowledge, this hasn't been discussed before.
> It seemed to me that removing me_hash from a dict entry would save 2/3
> of the space used by dictionaries and also imp
At 01:33 PM 4/23/2006 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>Phillip J. Eby wrote:
>>At 09:25 AM 4/22/2006 -0700, Aahz wrote:
>>> EXPRESSION returns a value that the with statement uses to create a
>>> context (a special kind of namespace). The context is used to
>>> execute the BLOCK. The block
For those not following along at home, I've now updated PEP 343 to clarify my
originally intended meanings for various terms, and to record the fact that we
don't currently have a consensus on python-dev that those are the right
definitions.
As written up in the PEP, I plan to propagate those i
Hi, this is my first python dev post, so please forgive me if this topic has already been discussed.It seemed to me that removing me_hash from a dict entry would save 2/3 of the space used by dictionaries and also improve alignment of the entries since they'd be 8 bytes instead of 12. And sets end
Anthony Baxter wrote:
> On Sunday 23 April 2006 11:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>> Maybe we need something that's the equivalent of alien (rpm -> dpkg
>> converter), so that given an egg, one can easily get a native
>> installer for that egg.
>
> An 'eggconvert' that used the existing bdist_foo machine
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
> At 09:25 AM 4/22/2006 -0700, Aahz wrote:
>> EXPRESSION returns a value that the with statement uses to create a
>> context (a special kind of namespace). The context is used to
>> execute the BLOCK. The block might end normally, get terminated by
>> a break
At 01:19 PM 4/23/2006 +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
>On Sunday 23 April 2006 11:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> > Maybe we need something that's the equivalent of alien (rpm -> dpkg
> > converter), so that given an egg, one can easily get a native
> > installer for that egg.
>
>An 'eggconvert' that used t
On Sunday 23 April 2006 11:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> Maybe we need something that's the equivalent of alien (rpm -> dpkg
> converter), so that given an egg, one can easily get a native
> installer for that egg.
An 'eggconvert' that used the existing bdist_foo machinery to build
system specific pa
[Andrew MacIntyre]
> I doubt it has anything to do with this issue, but I just thought I'd
> mention something strange I've encountered on Windows XP Pro (SP2) at
> work.
>
> If Python terminates due to an uncaught exception, with stdout & stderr
> redirected externally (ie within the batch file th
[19 Apr 2006, Neal Norwitz]
> test_cmd_line leaked [0, 17, -17] references
> test_filecmp leaked [0, 13, 0] references
> test_threading_local leaked [-93, 0, 0] references
> test_urllib2 leaked [-121, 88, 99] references
Thanks to Thomas digging into test_threading_local, I checked in what
appeare
Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> On 20-apr-2006, at 23:46, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
>> So if this attitude (Python Eggs are the preferred binary distribution
>> format) is wrong, it is the attitude that has to change first. Changes
>> to the documentation follow from that. If the attitude is right, I'll
>> h
At 08:12 PM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
>If my premises above are mistaken, then the suggestions should be modified
>or discarded. However, I don't see how they conflict at all with a
>consumer rating system.
My point was simply that providing rapid, visible feedback to authors
results i
"Phillip J. Eby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> At 05:41 PM 4/22/2006 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>>I'm not sure that's what Terry meant - I took it to mean *make the spider
>>part of PyPI itself*.
>
> Which would also be accomplished by using Grig's Cheesecake tool,
"Guido van Rossum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be
> diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that
> Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person
> that CPAN su
"Nick Coghlan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> As Phillip pointed out, we need input from people that haven't been
> intimately
> involved in the PEP 343 discussions
OK, here is my attempt to cut the knot.
To me, 'context' and 'context manager' can be seen as near
On 4/22/06, A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What with all the discussion that resulted from setuptools, we should
> probably also discuss the suggestion to add wsgiref to the standard
> library. PEP 356 doesn't have many details about what's under consideration.
>
> (wsgiref is an imple
What with all the discussion that resulted from setuptools, we should
probably also discuss the suggestion to add wsgiref to the standard
library. PEP 356 doesn't have many details about what's under consideration.
(wsgiref is an implementation of the WSGI interface defined in PEP 333.
I believe
Guido van Rossum wrote:
> Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be
> diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that
> Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person
> that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I think we shouldn't
>
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
> >(frankly, do you think there's any experienced developer out there
> >whos first thought when asked the question "how do I create a tightly
> >controlled Python environment" isn't either "can I solve this by tweaking
> >sys.path in my application?" or "disk space is cheap,
At 05:41 PM 4/22/2006 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>Phillip J. Eby wrote:
>>At 12:22 AM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>>Why can't you remove the heuristic and screen-scrape info-search code
>>>from the easy_install client and run one spider that would check
>>>new/revised PyPI entries, search
At 09:25 AM 4/22/2006 -0700, Aahz wrote:
> EXPRESSION returns a value that the with statement uses to create a
> context (a special kind of namespace). The context is used to
> execute the BLOCK. The block might end normally, get terminated by
> a break or return, or raise an exce
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
> At 09:05 AM 4/22/2006 -0700, Aahz wrote:
>>
>>I've been following the with/context discussion, not that closely, but
>>reading all the posts. I also have to write docs on this for Python for
>>Dummies, which I think is going to be the first book out af
At 12:34 PM 4/22/2006 +0200, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>Ian Bicking wrote:
>
> > For instance, if you really want to be confident about how your libraries
> > are layed out, this script is the most reliable way:
> > http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/virtual-python.py
>
>note the use of "this script is
At 09:05 AM 4/22/2006 -0700, Aahz wrote:
>I've been following the with/context discussion, not that closely, but
>reading all the posts. I also have to write docs on this for Python for
>Dummies, which I think is going to be the first book out after 2.5. So
>far, my take is that I want the block
I've been following the with/context discussion, not that closely, but
reading all the posts. I also have to write docs on this for Python for
Dummies, which I think is going to be the first book out after 2.5. So
far, my take is that I want the block of code to be executed in a
context. I'm pro
At 12:34 PM 4/22/2006 +0200, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
> > Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be
> > diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that
> > Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person
> > that CPA
On 20-apr-2006, at 23:46, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
> Bob Ippolito wrote:
>>> 'There are several binary formats that embody eggs, but the most
>>> common
>>> is '.egg' zipfile format, because it's a convenient one for
>>> distributing
>>> projects.'
>>>
>>> '.egg files are a "zero installation"
I was actually referring to the quality of the code.
On 4/22/06, John J Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> > Guido van Rossum wrote:
> [...]
> >> Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person
> >> that CPAN sucks from a quality perspec
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Guido van Rossum wrote:
[...]
>> Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person
>> that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I think we shouldn't
[...]
> (as for the CPAN quality, any public repository will end up being full
> of
On 4/22/06, Ronald Oussoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Over on the pythonmac-sig list we're getting close a new set of icons
> based on the new python.org logo. What would be needed to get these
> icons into the python distribution? Does the author of these icons
> need to donate them to the PSF
Paul Moore wrote:
> Presumably, then, my proposal didn't make things clear to you?
As Phillip said, I'm probably way too close to this to be a good judge of how
understandable the terminology is. I just want to make one more attempt before
admitting defeat. . .
Cheers,
Nick.
--
Nick Coghlan
On 4/22/06, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I'm going to express my gratitude by asking you to read the same docs all
> over again in a few days time :)
No problem. Remind me if I forget...
> I'll be making a pass through the docs (and PEP) this weekend using the
> definitions:
>
>
Paul Moore wrote:
> On 4/22/06, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Alternatively, I could have a go at clearing it up for next week's alpha2,
>> and
>> we can ask Anthony to make an explicit request for review of those docs in
>> the
>> announcement. . .
>
> I've just had a *very* quick
Hi,
Over on the pythonmac-sig list we're getting close a new set of icons
based on the new python.org logo. What would be needed to get these
icons into the python distribution? Does the author of these icons
need to donate them to the PSF or is there some other procedure?
Ronald
_
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
>> Nick, please get unstuck on the "who said what when and who wasn't
>> listening" thing.
Sorry about that. I was just trying to figure out how we got to where we are.
I stopped paying close attention to PEP 343 developments a few months back,
a
On 4/22/06, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alternatively, I could have a go at clearing it up for next week's alpha2, and
> we can ask Anthony to make an explicit request for review of those docs in the
> announcement. . .
I've just had a *very* quick scan through the 2.5a1 documentatio
Guido van Rossum wrote:
> Nick, please get unstuck on the "who said what when and who wasn't
> listening" thing. I want this to be resolved to use the clearest
> terminology possible.
which probably means that the words "context" and "manager" shouldn't
be used at all ;-)
"space" and "potato", p
Ian Bicking wrote:
> For instance, if you really want to be confident about how your libraries
> are layed out, this script is the most reliable way:
> http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/virtual-python.py
note the use of "this script is the most reliable way", not "something
like this script", or
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
> So, if anything is clear from all this, it's that nothing has ever been
> particularly clear in all this. :)
>
> Or more precisely, I think everybody has been perfectly clear, we just
> haven't really gotten on the same page about which words mean what. ;)
+1 QOTT (Quo
Guido van Rossum wrote:
> Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be
> diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that
> Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person
> that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I think we shouldn't
On 4/22/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Terry Reedy wrote:
>
> > 1. Based on comments on c.l.py, the biggest legitimate fact-based (versus
> > personal-taste-based) knock again Python versus, in particular, Perl is the
> > lack of a CPAN-like facility. As I remember, there have even
Terry Reedy wrote:
> 1. Based on comments on c.l.py, the biggest legitimate fact-based (versus
> personal-taste-based) knock again Python versus, in particular, Perl is the
> lack of a CPAN-like facility. As I remember, there have even been a few
> people say something like "I like Python the lan
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
> The problem isn't fundamentally a technical one, but a social one. You can
> effect social change through technology, but not by being some random guy
> with a nagging 'bot.
> Seriously, though, posting Cheesecake scores (which include ratings for
> findability of code, u
On 4/22/06, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *This* is what Guido approved, not what is currently written up in the PEP on
> python.org.
Nick, please get unstuck on the "who said what when and who wasn't
listening" thing. I want this to be resolved to use the clearest
terminology possible
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
> If you have a problem with what I did to the PEP, kindly take it up with
> Guido. If you have a problem with the documentation I took the time to
> write and contribute, by all means change it. At this point, I'm
> getting pretty tired of people of accusing me of violat
Alex Martelli wrote:
>I see "redo Decimal in C" (possibly with the addition of some fast
>elementary transcendentals) and "enhance operations on longs"
>(multiplication first and foremost, and base-conversions probably
>next, as you suggested -- possibly with the addition of some fast
>number-theo
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
> At 12:22 AM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
>> Why can't you remove the heuristic and screen-scrape info-search code
>>from the easy_install client and run one spider that would check
>> new/revised PyPI entries, search for missing info, insert it into PyPI when
>> found
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