Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Leif Walsh
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > Ubuntu is a victim of its own success. They now have to deal with the > same diversity of hardware environments as Windows. I hope that > Canonical will find a way to stabilize things. I think it's actually worse. Microsoft can always (and, i

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > > The scary one is two independent reports of fstab corruption in the > > 8.04 to 8.10 upgrade. It is claimed to be unfixable by booting from > > CD, mounting the partition, and editing fstab: the editor saves but > > the fstab returns to the original corrupt state upon

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
s...@pobox.com writes: > >> That failed because of a bug in configure.in: > >> > >> case $withval in > >> no) CC=cc > >> without_gcc=yes;; > >> yes)CC=gcc > >> without_gcc=no;; > >> *) CC=$withval > >> without_gcc=$withval;; > >> >

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Steve Holden
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Aahz writes: > > > all. Because I was lazy, last weekend I finally did a two-stage upgrade > > from 7.10 to 8.04 and then 8.10, with zero noticeable problems. > > The scary one is two independent reports of fstab corruption in the > 8.04 to 8.10 upgrade. It is cla

Re: [Python-Dev] I would like an svn account

2009-01-04 Thread Steve Holden
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jan 3, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > >> Brett Cannon wrote: >> [...] >>> I have been using bzr for all of my importlib work. It's worked out >>> well sans the problem that SOMEONE Barry has not >>> upgraded the bzr installation to support the newest wire protoco

Re: [Python-Dev] Why is there still a PRINT_EXPR opcode in Python 3?

2009-01-04 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:36 PM, wrote: > >>> Since print is now a builtin function why is there still a PRINT_EXPR >>> opcode? > >Benjamin> I believe it's used in the interactive interpreter to display >Benjamin> the repr of an expression. > > Wouldn't it make more sense for the i

Re: [Python-Dev] Why is there still a PRINT_EXPR opcode in Python 3?

2009-01-04 Thread skip
>> Since print is now a builtin function why is there still a PRINT_EXPR >> opcode? Benjamin> I believe it's used in the interactive interpreter to display Benjamin> the repr of an expression. Wouldn't it make more sense for the interactive interpreter to call print(repr(exp

Re: [Python-Dev] Why is there still a PRINT_EXPR opcode in Python 3?

2009-01-04 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:28 PM, wrote: > Since print is now a builtin function why is there still a PRINT_EXPR > opcode? I believe it's used in the interactive interpreter to display the repr of an expression. -- Regards, Benjamin ___ Python-Dev ma

Re: [Python-Dev] Wrong buildbot page for 3.x-stable

2009-01-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Isn't the latter supposed to point to the py3k branch buildbots? Thanks for pointing that out - it is fixed now. Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.pyth

[Python-Dev] Why is there still a PRINT_EXPR opcode in Python 3?

2009-01-04 Thread skip
Since print is now a builtin function why is there still a PRINT_EXPR opcode? Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archiv

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Perhaps --without-gcc should be removed, if it's both useless and misleading? > (note: I don't have an interest in the matter) I had the same thought. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/lis

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> This code looks suspicious: > > if test ${cur_target} '>' 10.2; then > cur_target=10.3 > fi > > If I comment it out configure succeeds. This code dates from r65061 No, it dates from r45800: r45800 | ronald.oussoren | 2006-04-29 13:31:35 +0200 (Sa,

Re: [Python-Dev] py3k, bad sys.path and abort()

2009-01-04 Thread Christian Heimes
Mark Hammond schrieb: > Would it be practical and desirable to handle this situation more > gracefully, possibly just leaving sys.std* set to None and letting > whatever exceptions then occur happen as normal without terminating the > process? Given it is an edge-case, I thought I'd open it here f

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > And for that ML this is huge; I don't recall so many screams on a > commercial vendor upgrade since Red Hat went from HJ Liu libc to glibc > 2. I've had problems with Kubuntu's graphical updater crashing, but never anything a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" didn't fix. Al

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread skip
>> ... >> configure:10332: checking size of size_t >> configure:10637: icc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c >&5 >> ld: library not found for -lgcc_s Martin> I think you have the source of the problem right there: your icc Martin> installation is broken. It is unable to buil

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: >> ... >> configure:10332: checking size of size_t >> configure:10637: icc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c >&5 >> ld: library not found for -lgcc_s > > I think you have the source of the problem right there: your icc > installation is broken. It is unable

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread Leif Walsh
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 12:05 PM, wrote: > Hmmm, OK... Why do we need two ways to spell "don't use gcc"? Think of it like the two keys to the atom bomb. :-P -- Cheers, Leif ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mail

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Leif Walsh
I missed the beginning here; oh well. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Aahz wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Steve Holden writes: >>> >>> Hey, isn't Ubuntu Debian-based? ... >> >> Ouch. I don't actually use Ubuntu, but when everybody on my local LUG >> list from the "L

Re: [Python-Dev] I would like an svn account

2009-01-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 4, 2009, at 4:21 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Steve Holden writes: Hey, isn't Ubuntu Debian-based? ... Ouch. I don't actually use Ubuntu, but when everybody on my local LUG list from the "Linux should be Windows but cheaper" newbies to

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread skip
>> ... >> configure:10332: checking size of size_t >> configure:10637: icc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c >&5 >> ld: library not found for -lgcc_s Martin> I think you have the source of the problem right there: your icc Martin> installation is broken. It is unable to buil

Re: [Python-Dev] I would like an svn account

2009-01-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 3, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Steve Holden wrote: Brett Cannon wrote: [...] I have been using bzr for all of my importlib work. It's worked out well sans the problem that SOMEONE Barry has not upgraded the bzr installation to support the newest wire

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Martin v. Löwis v.loewis.de> writes: > > Correct. To specify a different compiler, set the CC environment > variable, and don't pass the --without-gcc flag. Perhaps --without-gcc should be removed, if it's both useless and misleading? (note: I don't have an interest in the matter) ___

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> ... > configure:10332: checking size of size_t > configure:10637: icc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c >&5 > ld: library not found for -lgcc_s I think you have the source of the problem right there: your icc installation is broken. It is unable to build even trivial programs. To

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 4, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Aahz writes: all. Because I was lazy, last weekend I finally did a two-stage upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 and then 8.10, with zero noticeable problems. The scary one is two independent repo

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread skip
>> CC=icc ./configure --prefix=$HOME/tmp/icc-python >> >> That failed computing the size of size_t because it tries to incorrectly link >> with -lgcc_s. Martin> Can you provide the relevant section of config.log? What is the Martin> precise command that configure is invo

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Aahz writes: > all. Because I was lazy, last weekend I finally did a two-stage upgrade > from 7.10 to 8.04 and then 8.10, with zero noticeable problems. The scary one is two independent reports of fstab corruption in the 8.04 to 8.10 upgrade. It is claimed to be unfixable by booting from CD,

Re: [Python-Dev] I would like an svn account

2009-01-04 Thread Paul Moore
2009/1/4 Brett Cannon : > Bazaar has been backwards-compatible with everything from my > understanding, so any changes they have made to the repository layout > or network protocol they use should not be an issue regardless of what > client or server versions are being used. As for the version numb

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Aahz
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Steve Holden writes: >> >> Hey, isn't Ubuntu Debian-based? ... > > Ouch. I don't actually use Ubuntu, but when everybody on my local LUG > list from the "Linux should be Windows but cheaper" newbies to former > NetBSD developers is grouching ab

Re: [Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> CC=icc ./configure --prefix=$HOME/tmp/icc-python > > That failed computing the size of size_t because it tries to incorrectly link > with -lgcc_s. Can you provide the relevant section of config.log? What is the precise command that configure is invoking, and what is the precise error messag

Re: [Python-Dev] ParseTuple question

2009-01-04 Thread Mark Hammond
On 4/01/2009 9:29 PM, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: If I'm still misunderstanding, can you be more specific about the exact problem (ie, the exact function you are referring to, and how you intend calling it)? trunk/_fileio.c/fileio_init() Let's leave aside that you can also pass a filedescriptor, th

Re: [Python-Dev] ParseTuple question

2009-01-04 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
[sorry, dropped one pair of mails off the list, hence also the overquoting] On Sunday 04 January 2009 01:07:08 Mark Hammond wrote: > > > On 'normal' windows you generally would need to use > > > WideCharToMultiByte() to get a 'char *' version of your wchar > > > string but I expect you already kno

[Python-Dev] How to configure with icc on Mac?

2009-01-04 Thread skip
I downloaded an evaluation copy of the Intel compiler for Mac and tried (so far unsuccessfully) to configure with it. I have tried: CC=icc ./configure --prefix=$HOME/tmp/icc-python That failed computing the size of size_t because it tries to incorrectly link with -lgcc_s. Then I tried forc

Re: [Python-Dev] I would like an svn account

2009-01-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Disclaimer: I'm a member of the team working with Brett on the DVCS PEP, and definitely pro-DVCS (specifically working on the git parts). "Martin v. Löwis" writes: > If "switching to a modern DVCS" means that users now need to start > compiling their VCS before they can check out Python, It do

Re: [Python-Dev] I would like an svn account

2009-01-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Steve Holden writes: > Hey, isn't Ubuntu Debian-based? ... Ouch. I don't actually use Ubuntu, but when everybody on my local LUG list from the "Linux should be Windows but cheaper" newbies to former NetBSD developers is grouching about upgrade hell, I don't see any real benefits to be gained.