On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:26:41 pm Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Indeed, and that's why I thanked Michael. Trimming can be a PITA if
you're using a crummy MUA, and for reasons I have no intention of
even trying to remember, let alone understand, a lot of people are
very attached to their crummmy
Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org writes:
Trimming can be a PITA if you're using a crummy MUA
How so? It merely requires the ability to navigate up and down by lines,
and to select and delete text. I've used some very crummy MUAs, but the
ability to trim quoted text has never been absent
Fred Drake fdr...@gmail.com writes:
Most importantly, insufficient trimming makes many of us start to
ignore threads we'd otherwise want to read more carefully or
participate in, because the tedium of wading through all the quotes to
make sure we catch all the content.
Absolutely. This is a
Greg Ewing greg.ewing at canterbury.ac.nz writes:
That's no reason to squander it, though. Quoting the entire
message every time makes the size of the thread grow as
O(n**2), and makes things harder to read as well. That's
just senseless.
+1. It's always annoying to skim through a
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org writes:
Trimming can be a PITA if you're using a crummy MUA
How so? It merely requires the ability to navigate up and down by lines,
and to select and delete text. I've used
Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com writes:
You just can't do it on some mobile device mail clients. For instance
Gmail's client on Android.
It will just top-post and quote the whole mail for you AFAIK.
Wow, that *is* crummy. Perhaps a posse of users of that application can
loudly request this
On 11 Oct 2009, at 13:36 , Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org writes:
Trimming can be a PITA if you're using a crummy MUA
How so? It merely requires the ability to navigate up and down by
Nick Coghlan wrote:
M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
Benjamin Peterson wrote:
I forgot to ask before: Does this deprecate
platform.python_implementation()?
No, platform.py is meant to be portable across multiple Python
versions and as such not really suitable for such deprecations.
It'll also take a
Hello,
In py3k, the weak dict methods keys(), values() and items() have been
changed to return iterators (they returned lists in 2.x).
However, it turns out that it makes these methods quite fragile, because
a GC collection can occur whenever during iterating, destroy one of the
weakref'ed
Masklinn wrote:
On 11 Oct 2009, at 13:36 , Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ben Finney
ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org writes:
Trimming can be a PITA if you're using a crummy MUA
How so? It merely requires the ability to navigate
MRAB python at mrabarnett.plus.com writes:
[snipped three pages of quoted messages before a one-liner]
Didn't the iPhone also lack cut-and-paste?
Not to sound harsh, but your quoting was a perfect example of wasted visual
bandwidth...
(are you posting from an iPhone ? ;-))
Antoine.
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.netwrote:
In py3k, the weak dict methods keys(), values() and items() have been
changed to return iterators (they returned lists in 2.x).
However, it turns out that it makes these methods quite fragile, because
a GC collection
Antoine Pitrou solipsis at pitrou.net writes:
1. Add the safe methods listkeys(), listitems(), listvalues() which would
behave as the keys(), etc. methods from 2.x
2. Make it so that keys(), items(), values() atomically build a list of
items internally, which makes them more costly for
On 11 Oct 2009, at 18:07 , MRAB wrote:
Didn't the iPhone also lack cut-and-paste?
It did, but given text selection is a near-mandatory requirement to
cutting text (and pasting isn't very useful if you can't put anything
into the clipboard) those were implied consequences of the lack of
Daniel Stutzbach daniel at stutzbachenterprises.com writes:
-1 on 1.+0 on 2.It'd be nice if we could postpone the resize if there are
active iterators, but I don't think there's a clean way to track the iterators.
I've started experimenting, and it seems reasonably possible using a simple
Ben Finney writes:
Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org writes:
Trimming can be a PITA if you're using a crummy MUA
How so? It merely requires the ability to navigate up and down by lines,
and to select and delete text. I've used some very crummy MUAs, but the
ability to trim
2009/10/9 Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk:
Many Windows users would be quite happy if the standard mechanism for
installing non-source distributions on Windows was via the wininst binaries.
+1 I'm one of those people.
I wonder if it is going to be possible to make this compatible with
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull
step...@xemacs.org wrote:
If others are willing to play bad cop, as Aahz did, I'd be very happy
to accept the benefit of a cleaned-up list. But I'm not willing to do
it myself.
Is it really that big of an issue that we have to discuss it
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/10/9 Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk:
Many Windows users would be quite happy if the standard mechanism for
installing non-source distributions on Windows was via the wininst binaries.
+1 I'm one of those
Antoine Pitrou solipsis at pitrou.net writes:
Daniel Stutzbach daniel at stutzbachenterprises.com writes:
-1 on 1.+0 on 2.It'd be nice if we could postpone the resize if there are
active iterators, but I don't think there's a clean way to track the
iterators.
I've started
Benjamin Peterson schrieb:
2009/10/11 Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull
step...@xemacs.org wrote:
If others are willing to play bad cop, as Aahz did, I'd be very happy
to accept the benefit of a cleaned-up list. But I'm not willing to do
[Mark Dickinson]
- string to float *and* float to string conversions are both guaranteed
correctly rounded in 3.x: David Gay's code implements the conversion
in both directions, and having correctly rounded string - float
conversions is essential to ensure that eval(repr(x)) recovers x
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
In a recent #python-dev IRC conversation, it was suggested that we
should consider backporting the new-style float repr from py3k to
trunk. I'd like to get people's opinions on this idea.
[...]
Possible problems:
-
Which I noticed since it's cited in the BeOpen license we still refer
to in LICENSE. Since pythonlabs.com itself is still up, it probably
isn't much work to make the logos.html URI work again, but I don't know
who maintains that page.
cheer,
Georg
--
Thus spake the Lord: Thou shalt indent with
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
I'm -0 -- mostly because of the 3rd party doctests and perhaps also
because I'd like 3.x to have some carrots. (I've heard from at least
one author who is very happy with 3.x for the next edition of his
programming for
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
Which I noticed since it's cited in the BeOpen license we still refer
to in LICENSE. Since pythonlabs.com itself is still up, it probably
isn't much work to make the logos.html URI work again, but I don't know
who
Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
In a recent #python-dev IRC conversation, it was suggested that we
should consider backporting the new-style float repr from py3k to
trunk. I'd like to get people's opinions on this idea.
[...]
Guido van Rossum schrieb:
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
Which I noticed since it's cited in the BeOpen license we still refer
to in LICENSE. Since pythonlabs.com itself is still up, it probably
isn't much work to make the logos.html URI work again, but
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
In this context, eggs are merely the first (and most important)
[..]
example of a format extension, and so should drive the development of
a standard.
To summarise:
I believe that we need a statement of direction on the
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Steven Bethard
steven.beth...@gmail.com wrote:
I am working with Tarek to keep Windows issues (and in particular this
one) on the agenda. It's quite hard at times, as getting a
representative sample of Windows users' preferences/requirements is
difficult at
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 13:00, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.comwrote:
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.orgwrote:
I'm -0 -- mostly because of the 3rd party doctests and perhaps also
because I'd like 3.x to have some carrots. (I've heard from at least
one
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 13:00, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.comwrote:
The carrots I'm interested in as a user are new possibilties, like new
standard library features, a better debugger/profiler, or everybody's
On Sunday 11 October 2009 21:00:41 Glyph Lefkowitz wrote:
with all the
dependency-migration issues 3.x could definitely use some carrots.
..
everybody's favorate bugaboo, multicore parallelism.
I know it's the upteen-thousandth time it's been discussed, but
removal of the GIL in 3.x would
2009/10/11 Michael Sparks spark...@gmail.com:
On Sunday 11 October 2009 21:00:41 Glyph Lefkowitz wrote:
with all the
dependency-migration issues 3.x could definitely use some carrots.
..
everybody's favorate bugaboo, multicore parallelism.
I know it's the upteen-thousandth time it's been
Michael Sparks sparks.m at gmail.com writes:
I know it's the upteen-thousandth time it's been discussed, but
removal of the GIL in 3.x would probably be pretty big carrots for
some. I know the arguments [...]
Not before someone produces a patch anyway. It is certainly not as easy as you
seem
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Michael Sparks sparks.m at gmail.com writes:
I know it's the upteen-thousandth time it's been discussed, but
removal of the GIL in 3.x would probably be pretty big carrots for
some. I know the arguments [...]
Not
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
I think it is important to confirm in advance that all the
implementations listed below agree to implement the PEP soonish after
it's adopted. Required sounds like a strong term - however, if an
implementation chooses
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Also, why is it the name of the JIT compiler, and not the name of the
source language compiler?
From the Jython side it is easier to get the VM name compared to the
source language compiler. Although there is a property
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Frank Wierzbicki fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
So I propose that the python.org version is identified as python.
I'll add my voice to the group that likes cpython and CPython as
the
[Glyph Lefkowitz ]
This reasoning definitely makes sense to me; with all the
dependency-migration
issues 3.x could definitely use some carrots. However, I don't think I agree
with it,
because this doesn't feel like a big new feature, just some behavior which
has changed.
The
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