Re: [Python-Dev] nonlocal keyword in 2.x?

2009-10-29 Thread Lennart Regebro
2009/10/28 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net: skip at pobox.com writes:     So 2.7 support will for the most part be a case not of supporting     Python versions, but Python *users*.     Antoine That's still not a good reason to backport nonlocal. The same     Antoine reasoning could be

Re: [Python-Dev] nonlocal keyword in 2.x?

2009-10-29 Thread Nick Coghlan
Lennart Regebro wrote: 2009/10/28 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net: skip at pobox.com writes: So 2.7 support will for the most part be a case not of supporting Python versions, but Python *users*. Antoine That's still not a good reason to backport nonlocal. The same

Re: [Python-Dev] MSDN subscribers: Using Visual Studio?

2009-10-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Steve Holden holdenweb at gmail.com writes: I just wondered, with the recent flood of new MSDN subscriptions loosed on the developer community, how many people have installed the required version of Visual Studio and built Python for Windows from source? Not being that familiar with the

[Python-Dev] Buildbot category on the tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hello, What do you think of creating a buildbot category in the tracker? There are often problems on specific buildbots which would be nice to track, but there's nowhere to do so. Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] MSDN subscribers: Using Visual Studio?

2009-10-29 Thread Daniel Stutzbach
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: If it's just a matter of building and testing it you don't need any MSDN subscription, you just need Visual Studio Express which is free (as in free beer...). I don't know if it allows you to build an installer though.

Re: [Python-Dev] MSDN subscribers: Using Visual Studio?

2009-10-29 Thread Christian Heimes
Daniel Stutzbach wrote: It does. If I recall correctly, in addition to Visual Studio Express, I also needed the Windows SDK (which is also free as in beer). The VS 2008 Express Edition is sufficient to build X86 binaries on Windows. The express edition doesn't support X64_86. though.

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot category on the tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
What do you think of creating a buildbot category in the tracker? There are often problems on specific buildbots which would be nice to track, but there's nowhere to do so. Do you have any specific reports that you would want to classify with this category? Regards, Martin

[Python-Dev] ssl module

2009-10-29 Thread Bruno Harbulot
Hello, I would like to ask a few questions and suggestions regarding the ssl module (in Python 2.6). (I gather from [1] that there is some effort going on to enhance the ssl API, but I'm not sure if this is the right place to discuss it.) Like other Python users, I was a bit surprised by

Re: [Python-Dev] (no subject)

2009-10-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes: What do you think of creating a buildbot category in the tracker? There are often problems on specific buildbots which would be nice to track, but there's nowhere to do so. Do you have any specific reports that you would want to classify

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot category on the tracker

2009-10-29 Thread exarkun
On 02:30 pm, solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Hello, What do you think of creating a buildbot category in the tracker? There are often problems on specific buildbots which would be nice to track, but there's nowhere to do so. Is your idea that this would be for tracking issues with the *bots*

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot category on the tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:04 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 02:30 pm, solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Hello, What do you think of creating a buildbot category in the tracker? There are often problems on specific buildbots which would be nice to track, but there's nowhere to do so.

Re: [Python-Dev] ssl module

2009-10-29 Thread Bill Janssen
Bruno Harbulot bruno.harbu...@manchester.ac.uk wrote: Hello, I would like to ask a few questions and suggestions regarding the ssl module (in Python 2.6). (I gather from [1] that there is some effort going on to enhance the ssl API, but I'm not sure if this is the right place to discuss

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot category on the tracker

2009-10-29 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 at 19:41, Jesse Noller wrote: Then again, I know for a fact certain tests fail ONLY on certain buildbots because of the way they're configured. For example, certain multiprocessing tests will fail if /dev/shm isn't accessible on Linux, and several of the buildbosts are in

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot category on the tracker

2009-10-29 Thread exarkun
On 29 Oct, 11:41 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:04 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 02:30 pm, solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Hello, What do you think of creating a buildbot category in the tracker? There are often problems on specific buildbots which would be

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot category on the tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:31 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: I'd say that particular one is a bug in the tests.  If /dev/shm is not available and is required, then the tests should be skipped with an appropriate message.  It would also secondarily be an issue with the

Re: [Python-Dev] Retrieve an arbitrary element from a set withoutremoving it

2009-10-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:47:59 am Raymond Hettinger wrote: A dict.get() can be meaningfully used in a loop (because the key can vary). A set.get() returns the same value over and over again (because there is no key). I don't believe anyone has requested those semantics. The suggested semantics

Re: [Python-Dev] Retrieve an arbitrary element from a setwithoutremoving it

2009-10-29 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Steven D'Aprano] The suggested semantics for set.get() with no arguments, as I understand them, are: (1) it will only fail if the set is empty; Just like next() except that next() gives you the option to supply a default and can be used on any iterator (perhaps iter(s) or itertools.cycle(s)