So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
before:
"search" -> "download" -> "unzip" -> "cmd" -> "cd" -> "python
setup.py install"
Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct
I would vote for allowing student work on community infrastructure
tasks. Tracker, Wiki, Web site management tools are all outdated and
everybody who cares agrees that they've seen a better tools.
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On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:36 AM, C. Titus Brown wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> once again, t
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
> and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
> before:
>
> "search" -> "download" -> "unzip" -> "cmd" -> "cd" -> "python
> setup.py install"
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct
> user how to download and install an actual package management tool
> when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool -
> `easy_install` - a part of `setupt
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
>>
>> Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct
>> user how to download and install an actual package management tool
>> when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool -
>> `easy_install` - a part of `se
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
[..]
> distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know
> anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about
> dependencies.
At this point, no one knows anything about installed packages at the
Python l
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
[..]
> Depending on how you call a Python user, I disagree here. Many people
> use pip and distribute.
s/how/who :)
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2010/3/29 Lennart Regebro :
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>> Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct
>> user how to download and install an actual package management tool
>> when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool -
>>
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik :
> 2010/3/29 Lennart Regebro :
>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:30, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>> Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct
>>> user how to download and install an actual package management tool
>>> when users tries to use it. So f
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
>> That's an ideal case, but it doesn't work, because more or less senior
>> committers are already too busy. If they do not even have time to
>> review issues, followup on patches - how can they monitor who reached
>> the appropriate karma level?
>
> The practice proves to
Larry Hastings wrote:
> * allow the CObject API to (unsafely) dereference a capsule
> * add support for the new files added by capsule to the Visual
> Studio builds (fixes an unrelated second complaint about my checkin)
> * add a -3 warning for calls to CObject
> * add a Pendi
anatoly techtonik wrote:
> So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
> and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
> before:
Until the discussed package management tools support a robust inventory
and uninstallation system that plays well with
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:40:06AM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> I would vote for allowing student work on community infrastructure
> tasks. Tracker, Wiki, Web site management tools are all outdated and
> everybody who cares agrees that they've seen a better tools.
As long as it's programming,
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
> [..]
>> distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know
>> anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about
>> dependencies.
>
> At this point, no one knows anything about installed packages at the
> Pyth
Anatoly, I am now answering only in Distutils-SIG.
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
[..]
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anatoly techtonik wrote:
So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
before:
"search" -> "download" -> "unzip" -> "cmd" -> "cd" -> "python
setup.py install"
Therefore I still propose shipping bo
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:02, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know
> anything even about installed packages
With that definition, there are no packaga management tools for
Python. So it's going to be pretty hard to ship one with 2.7.
>
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
>> [..]
>>> distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know
>>> anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about
>>> dependencies.
>>
>> At this
2010/3/29 anatoly techtonik :
> Ok. How about shipping bootstrap script only for `easy_install` tool for now?
Since there are many who are of the opinion that easy_install isn't
very good, and pip should be used instead, that would be a bad idea.
Just drop it. 2.7 will not have a package managem
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
> Anatoly, I am now answering only in Distutils-SIG.
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, anatoly techtonik
> wrote:
> [..]
Seems like I start to hate mailing lists even more with all this
message duplication and thread following nightmare. Wh
anatoly techtonik gmail.com> writes:
>
> Seems like I start to hate mailing lists even more with all this
> message duplication and thread following nightmare. Why can't people
> here create a Google Groups mirror?
There are already gmane mirrors, such as:
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python
2010/3/29 Nick Coghlan :
> anatoly techtonik wrote:
>> So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
>> and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
>> before:
>
> Until the discussed package management tools support a robust inventory
> and uninstal
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 16:21, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> Just a thought about user story my customers would likely write if I
> shipped Python as a product:
> "As a user, I think Python is suxx, because it makes its users suffer
> for a long time from packaging disorder".
So fix it. Python is op
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> anatoly techtonik gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Seems like I start to hate mailing lists even more with all this
>> message duplication and thread following nightmare. Why can't people
>> here create a Google Groups mirror?
>
> There are already
> > There are already gmane mirrors, such as:
> > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel
>
> Do you use it yourself for thread subscription?
I don't think there's any "thread subscription", if you mean subscribing
to individual threads.
> My point is that gmane mouse clicking interface i
On 2010-03-29 01:17 AM, David Cournapeau wrote:
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Robert Kern wrote:
On 2010-03-27 00:32 , David Cournapeau wrote:
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Raymond Hettinger
wrote:
On Mar 26, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Xavier Morel wrote:
How about raising an exception in
Hello,
Nice to meet everyone!
I have two files (class.py and object.py). Now, within object.py I create two
objects from the class.py file. The class.py file contains the necessary code
to make a connection to a FTP server. The two objects pass the credentials,
etc. My question is, if I wanted
On 29/03/2010 16:02, Pry, Jeffrey wrote:
Hello,
Nice to meet everyone!
Hello Jeffrey,
This mailing list is for the development *of* Python, not for developing
*with* Python. More appropriate places to ask are the Python-tutor
mailing list or the comp.lang.python newsgroup. Both of these h
Hello.
We'are sorry but we cannot help you. This mailing list is to work on
developing Python (fixing bugs and adding new features to Python itself); if
you're having problems using Python, please find another forum. Probably
python-list (comp.lang.python) news group/mailing list is the best pl
Hello all,
Python 3 includes a WeakSet implementation. Any objections to me
backporting this to 2.7?
http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/weakref.html#weakref.WeakSet
I needed this in unittest and used a WeakKeyDictionary instead.
Michael
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anatoly techtonik wrote:
So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
before:
"search" -> "download" -> "unzip" -> "cmd" -> "cd" -> "python
setup.py install"
Therefore I still propose shipping boot
anatoly> Why can't people here create a Google Groups mirror?
Whoever "people here" are could, I suppose. I wouldn't mind a read-only
mirror but would not be a fan of a two-way mirror because Google seems to do
an awful job of weeding out spam.
In any case, the correct place to submit such
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
> Python 3 includes a WeakSet implementation. Any objections to me
> backporting this to 2.7?
>
> http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/weakref.html#weakref.WeakSet
>
Backporting WeakSet would also make it possible to backport the fix for this
On 29/03/2010 18:16, Michael Foord wrote:
Hello all,
Python 3 includes a WeakSet implementation. Any objections to me
backporting this to 2.7?
http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/weakref.html#weakref.WeakSet
I needed this in unittest and used a WeakKeyDictionary instead.
Hmmm... I was unde
On 29/03/2010 19:14, Daniel Stutzbach wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Michael Foord
mailto:mich...@voidspace.org.uk>> wrote:
Python 3 includes a WeakSet implementation. Any objections to me
backporting this to 2.7?
http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/weakref.html#weakref.W
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
> It should be possible to fix it with a WeakKeyDictionary instead of
> WeakSet.
>
True. I should have said "Backporting WeakSet would make it *easier* to
backport the fix ..." :-)
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On 29/03/2010 20:20, Michael Foord wrote:
On 29/03/2010 18:16, Michael Foord wrote:
Hello all,
Python 3 includes a WeakSet implementation. Any objections to me
backporting this to 2.7?
http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/weakref.html#weakref.WeakSet
I needed this in unittest and used a Weak
anatoly techtonik wrote:
> So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
> and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
> before:
[...]
> So, do we need a PEP for that? How else can I know if consensus is
> reached? Anybody is willing to elaborate on
On 29/03/2010 20:46, Daniel Stutzbach wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Michael Foord
mailto:mich...@voidspace.org.uk>> wrote:
It should be possible to fix it with a WeakKeyDictionary instead
of WeakSet.
True. I should have said "Backporting WeakSet would make it *easier*
to b
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Larry Hastings wrote:
> anatoly techtonik wrote:
>
>> So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7
>> and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as
>> before:
>>
>> "search" -> "download" -> "unzip" -> "cmd" -> "c
Hello everyone,
my name's Valerio, i'm italian and i study computer science at
University of Pisa. I'm honored to speak and learn from people like you.
My knowledge of C language is not very advanced, but i know Python well
enough. I really like to contribute, i can learn and improve a lot. This
2010/3/29 Valerio Turturici :
> Hello everyone,
> my name's Valerio, i'm italian and i study computer science at University of
> Pisa. I'm honored to speak and learn from people like you.
> My knowledge of C language is not very advanced, but i know Python well
> enough. I really like to contribute
Valerio Turturici wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> my name's Valerio, i'm italian and i study computer science at
> University of Pisa. I'm honored to speak and learn from people like you.
> My knowledge of C language is not very advanced, but i know Python well
> enough. I really like to contribute, i c
On 30/03/2010 00:06, Valerio Turturici wrote:
Hello everyone,
my name's Valerio, i'm italian and i study computer science at
University of Pisa. I'm honored to speak and learn from people like you.
My knowledge of C language is not very advanced, but i know Python
well enough. I really like to
Nick> I think there's a page on the wiki with suggestions on how to get
Nick> started, but I don't have a link handy - hopefully someone else
Nick> will chime in with it.
:ring: :ring: :ring:
http://www.python.org/dev/contributing/
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On 2010-03-30, at 0006, Valerio Turturici wrote:
Have you any advice for me? :)
Also, have a look at Google's Summer of Code programme. It is a good
way to get involved with a large project.
Matthw
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Python should have something like gnome-love (
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove ). Some bugs on bugzilla is tagged with
gnome-love which are fairly easy and especially created to help dive in new
developers.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:00 AM, wrote:
>
>Nick> I think there's a page on the wiki
Shashwat> Python should have something like gnome-love (
Shashwat> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove ). Some bugs on bugzilla is
Shashwat> tagged with gnome-love which are fairly easy and especially
Shashwat> created to help dive in new developers.
I don't know what gnome love is (a
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