Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 22 Nov 2013 10:58, "Steve Dower" wrote: > > Nick Coghlan wrote: > > For 2.7.7, I think some combination of the two following ideas would be worth > > pursuing: > > - a C runtime independent API flag (set by default on Windows when building with > > a compiler other than VS2008). This would larg

[Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Richard Tew
Hi, I've been following this thread and the specific issue of the strong negative reaction to the name "Stackless Python 2.8", and I'm a bit bothered by the whole experience. Was there any concern about the name "Stackless Python 0.x" when Christian released his original versions? More important

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 22.11.13 01:58, schrieb Steve Dower: > I'm happy to work on a PEP and changes for what I described above, if > there's enough interest? I can also update distutils to detect and > build with any available compiler, though this may be more of a > feature than we'd want for 2.7 at this point. I

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 22 November 2013 19:00, Richard Tew wrote: > We're not talking about releasing a Python 2.8 against anyone's wishes > here. Or in _this specific case_, doing anything other than naming > something in a way we've been naming it for over a decade. Yet it's > reached the point where people are a

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > A few folks overreacted in their concern about the community confusion > such a move would inevitably create - *anything* called "Python 2.8" > is going to give the impression that we've changed our mind about 2.7 > being the last feature rel

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 454 - tracemalloc - accepted

2013-11-22 Thread Stefan Krah
Victor Stinner wrote: > 2013/11/21 Nick Coghlan : > > Huzzah! Thanks to you both for getting this ready for inclusion :) > > I now hope that someone will use it :-) Congratulations! I hope pyfailmalloc can go into 3.4, too. Stefan Krah ___ Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/15 anatoly techtonik : >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2013/11/12 anatoly techtonik : On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/10 anatoly techtonik :

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-22 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2013/11/22 anatoly techtonik : > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: >> 2013/11/15 anatoly techtonik : >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson >>> wrote: 2013/11/12 anatoly techtonik : > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Benjamin Peterson > w

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 22.11.13 10:00, schrieb Richard Tew: > That there are people who would consider using the trademark to force > us to change the name we've been using without harm for 14 years, > worries me. It's one thing to perhaps use it to stop someone scamming > Python users, and another to suggest using i

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/22 anatoly techtonik : >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> wrote: >>> 2013/11/15 anatoly techtonik : On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/12 anatoly techtonik :

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-22 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/11/22 anatoly techtonik : > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: > >> 2013/11/15 anatoly techtonik : > >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson < > benja...@python.org> wrote: > 2013/11/12

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Ethan Furman
On 11/22/2013 01:00 AM, Richard Tew wrote: [snip] Yet, suddenly, the chance that we may release a "Stackless Python 2.8", is a concern. Because there is no CPython 2.8 to mirror, and we've said there will not be one. It certainly didn't help that this was presented one week before the featur

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:00:54 +1300 Richard Tew wrote: > > Was there any concern about the dozens of "Stackless Python 2.x" and > "Stackless Python 3.x" versions that I have released over the years > being a cause for confusion? Or more importantly, any actual problems > experienced? > > Yet, su

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 22, 2013, at 03:55 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >(perhaps Barry will play a bass solo? :-)) Now, now, we don't want to give Chris incentive, do we? :) -Barry ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

[Python-Dev] Buildbot categories

2013-11-22 Thread Eric Snow
Is there a listing of buildbot categories (3.x.stable, custom-stable, etc.)? The best I could find was http://python.org/dev/buildbot/. I couldn't find it at http://buildbot.python.org/ or in the devguide, both places where I expected to find such a list. Thanks! -eric _

[Python-Dev] PEP 451 (ModuleSpec) has landed

2013-11-22 Thread Eric Snow
The bulk of PEP 451 (all but the "fluffy" parts as Brett called them ) is now committed to default. We are tracking the remaining items as dependencies of http://bugs.python.org/issue18864. http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/07229c6104b1 changeset: 87347:07229c6104b1 user:Eric Snow date:

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 451 (ModuleSpec) has landed

2013-11-22 Thread Eric Snow
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Eric Snow wrote: > The bulk of PEP 451 (all but the "fluffy" parts as Brett called them > ) is now committed to default. I'm looking into buildbot failures (on Windows of course). -eric ___ Python-Dev mailing list Pytho

[Python-Dev] PEP 428 (pathlib) now committed

2013-11-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hello, I've pushed pathlib to the repository. I'm hopeful there won't be new buildbot failures because of it, but still, there may be some platform-specific issues I'm unaware of. I hope our Release Manager is doing ok :-) Regards Antoine. ___ Pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Christian Tismer
On 22/11/13 13:47, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: Am 22.11.13 10:00, schrieb Richard Tew: That there are people who would consider using the trademark to force us to change the name we've been using without harm for 14 years, worries me. It's one thing to perhaps use it to stop someone scamming Pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 428 (pathlib) now committed

2013-11-22 Thread Victor Stinner
2013/11/22 Antoine Pitrou : > I've pushed pathlib to the repository. I'm hopeful there won't be > new buildbot failures because of it, but still, there may be some > platform-specific issues I'm unaware of. A PEP wouldn't be successful if it doesn't break any buildbot. PEP 451 was successful, as y

Re: [Python-Dev] Assign(expr* targets, expr value) - why targetS?

2013-11-22 Thread Eli Bendersky
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: > > 2013/11/15 anatoly techtonik : > >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: > >>> 2013/11/12 anatoly techtonik : > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:34 AM,

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2013-11-22 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2013-11-15 - 2013-11-22) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open4280 (+15) closed 27206 (+87) total 31486 (+102) Open issues wi

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 428 (pathlib) now committed

2013-11-22 Thread anatoly techtonik
It was too fast. I didn't had a chance to send the comments. -- anatoly t. On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hello, > > I've pushed pathlib to the repository. I'm hopeful there won't be > new buildbot failures because of it, but still, there may be some > platform-specif

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 22.11.13 17:54, schrieb Christian Tismer: > The discussion is over, but I cannot let this comment go through without > citing my original question, again: > >> My question >> --- >> >> I have created a very clean Python 2.7.6+ based CPython with the >> Stackless >> additions, that compi

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 451 (ModuleSpec) has landed

2013-11-22 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Eric Snow wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Eric Snow > wrote: > > The bulk of PEP 451 (all but the "fluffy" parts as Brett called them > > ) is now committed to default. > > I'm looking into buildbot failures (on Windows of course). .. which have now b

Re: [Python-Dev] peps: 3156 has also been committed.

2013-11-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:35:20 +0100 (CET) barry.warsaw wrote: > http://hg.python.org/peps/rev/706fe4b8b148 > changeset: 5315:706fe4b8b148 > user:Barry Warsaw > date:Fri Nov 22 12:35:10 2013 -0500 > summary: > 3156 has also been committed. The reason I haven't set "final" here

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Steve Dower
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Am 22.11.13 01:58, schrieb Steve Dower: > >> I'm happy to work on a PEP and changes for what I described above, if >> there's enough interest? I can also update distutils to detect and >> build with any available compiler, though this may be more of a >> feature than we'd

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 428 (pathlib) now committed

2013-11-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:44:55 +0100 Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > I've pushed pathlib to the repository. I'm hopeful there won't be > new buildbot failures because of it, but still, there may be some > platform-specific issues I'm unaware of. Actually, there turn out to be two platform-specific issue

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 22.11.13 19:10, schrieb Steve Dower: > I'd really want to update distutils.msvc9compiler to detect later > versions as well, since that would make 'pip install' work properly > for a large (majority?) of users for a large (majority?) of packages > with extension modules. Some may consider this P

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Ethan Furman
[Redirecting to Python Dev] On 11/22/2013 10:25 AM, Richard Tew wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: On 11/22/2013 01:00 AM, Richard Tew wrote: Yet, suddenly, the chance that we may release a "Stackless Python 2.8", is a concern. Because there is no CPython 2.8 to mir

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:59:31 -0800 Ethan Furman wrote: > > > Yet, we're told we should adopt wacky version numbers like 10, or > > rename our project from Stackless Python. > > Sometimes we have to do wacky stuff to avoid unnecessary confusion. Or it can be "Stackless Python 2.7 Extended Life"

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Add note to asyncore/asynchat recommending asyncio for new code.

2013-11-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:02:14 +0100 (CET) guido.van.rossum wrote: > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/db6ae01a5f7f > changeset: 87364:db6ae01a5f7f > user:Guido van Rossum > date:Fri Nov 22 11:57:35 2013 -0800 > summary: > Add note to asyncore/asynchat recommending asyncio for ne

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Wording changes to pathlib docs.

2013-11-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:45:17 +0100 (CET) andrew.kuchling wrote: > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/cce14bc9b675 > changeset: 87371:cce14bc9b675 > user:Andrew Kuchling > date:Fri Nov 22 15:45:02 2013 -0500 > summary: > Wording changes to pathlib docs. > > Only possibly-controv

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Steve Dower
> Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Am 22.11.13 19:10, schrieb Steve Dower: >> I'd really want to update distutils.msvc9compiler to detect later >> versions as well, since that would make 'pip install' work properly >> for a large (majority?) of users for a large (majority?) of packages >> with extension mo

[Python-Dev] Change Shtull-Trauring's name in Misc/ACKS

2013-11-22 Thread TaeWong
Due to Shtull-Trauring's marriage, his name is now changed to Turner-Trauring. Please accept the suggestion to change his name in Misc/ACKS.___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-22 Thread Greg Ewing
Ethan Furman wrote: [Redirecting to Python Dev] On 11/22/2013 10:25 AM, Richard Tew wrote: > Yet, we're told we should adopt wacky version numbers like 10, or rename our project from Stackless Python. Sometimes we have to do wacky stuff to avoid unnecessary confusion. Maybe imaginary versi