Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.3): Make the various iterators' "setstate" sliently and consistently clip the

2014-03-07 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 06.03.2014 09:02, schrieb Serhiy Storchaka: > 05.03.14 17:24, kristjan.jonsson написав(ла): >> http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/3b2c28061184 >> changeset: 89477:3b2c28061184 >> branch: 3.3 >> parent: 89475:24d4e52f4f87 >> user:Kristján Valur Jónsson >> date:Wed Mar 0

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 8 March 2014 11:29, Terry Reedy wrote: > Perhaps add something to > > Other Language Changes > -- > * Signatures reported by help() have been modified and improved by Argument > Clinic and changes to the inspect module. Yeah, the changes to help() are doubly indirect - help

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-07 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/7/2014 3:10 PM, Jurko Gospodnetić wrote: Hi. I just noticed that the way help() function displays a function signature changed between Python 3.3 & 3.4 but I can not find this documented anywhere. Here's a matching example in both Python 3.3 & Python 3.4 for comparison: -

Re: [Python-Dev] What is the precise problem? [was: Reference cycles in Exception.__traceback__]

2014-03-07 Thread Victor Stinner
> Could you clarify what the problem actually is? Please see: http://bugs.python.org/file33238/never_deleted.py Victor ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] What is the precise problem? [was: Reference cycles in Exception.__traceback__]

2014-03-07 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 3/7/2014 1:25 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: On 03/07/2014 01:20 PM, Jim J. Jewett wrote: (E) Exceptions are not released even during cyclic gc, because of ambiguity over which __del__ to run first. + This may be like case B or case E Um, this is case E. ;) Yeah, quite a bit like case E :) _

[Python-Dev] Why not make frames? [was: Reference cycles in Exception.__traceback__]

2014-03-07 Thread Jim J. Jewett
On Thu Mar 6 16:52:56 CET 2014, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > IMO it is absolutely out of question to allow creation of arbitrary > frames from Python code, because the structure and initialization of > frames embody too many low-level implementation details. So? Does any of that matter until the

Re: [Python-Dev] What is the precise problem? [was: Reference cycles in Exception.__traceback__]

2014-03-07 Thread Ethan Furman
On 03/07/2014 01:20 PM, Jim J. Jewett wrote: (E) Exceptions are not released even during cyclic gc, because of ambiguity over which __del__ to run first. + This may be like case B or case E Um, this is case E. ;) -- ~Ethan~ ___ Python-Dev mailing

[Python-Dev] What is the precise problem? [was: Reference cycles in Exception.__traceback__]

2014-03-07 Thread Jim J. Jewett
On Wed Mar 5 17:37:12 CET 2014, Victor Stinner wrote: > Python 3 now stores the traceback object in Exception.__traceback__ > and exceptions can be chained through Exception.__context__. It's > convenient but it introduced tricky reference cycles if the exception > object is used out of the ex

Re: [Python-Dev] First attempt at Python 3.4.0rc3 is up

2014-03-07 Thread Ned Deily
In article <5319a6b2.8080...@hastings.org>, Larry Hastings wrote: > It's published here: > > http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.4/ Note, to get the current state of what will be in "3.4.0.rc3", you need to use the "3.4" branch and not "default". hg pull http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.4/

[Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-07 Thread Jurko Gospodnetić
Hi. I just noticed that the way help() function displays a function signature changed between Python 3.3 & 3.4 but I can not find this documented anywhere. Here's a matching example in both Python 3.3 & Python 3.4 for comparison: Python 3.3.3 (v

Re: [Python-Dev] Alternative forms [was: PEP 463: Exception-catching expressions]

2014-03-07 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Jim J. Jewett wrote: > > (Thu Mar 6 23:26:47 CET 2014) Chris Angelico responded: > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Jim J. Jewett >> wrote: > >>> [ note that "x if y" already occurs in multiple contexts, and >>> always evaluates y before x. ] > >> Yes, but tha

[Python-Dev] Relaxáló masszázs otthon.

2014-03-07 Thread Bolyai S
Tudja meg,hogyan részesülhetnek az otthoni masszázsnak,20%-kal olcsóbb árban mint a masszázs szalonokban.   -> Kattintson ide <-- ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://

Re: [Python-Dev] Alternative forms [was: PEP 463: Exception-catching expressions]

2014-03-07 Thread Jim J. Jewett
(Thu Mar 6 23:26:47 CET 2014) Chris Angelico responded: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Jim J. Jewett wrote: >> [ note that "x if y" already occurs in multiple contexts, and >> always evaluates y before x. ] > Yes, but that's still out of order. Yeah, but local consistency is more impo

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2014-03-07 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2014-02-28 - 2014-03-07) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open4593 (+11) closed 28044 (+45) total 32637 (+56) Open issues wit

Re: [Python-Dev] First attempt at Python 3.4.0rc3 is up

2014-03-07 Thread Larry Hastings
On 03/07/2014 03:14 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 7 March 2014 21:00, Larry Hastings wrote: It's published here: http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.4/ Thanks for that Larry - commits and NEWS for the pip bundling, pkgutil and inspect changes all look good to me :) It's been an anxious process.

Re: [Python-Dev] Reference cycles in Exception.__traceback__

2014-03-07 Thread Victor Stinner
2014-03-07 6:25 GMT+01:00 Nick Coghlan : >> Uh, really? If you want to suppress all reference cycles, you *have* to >> remove __traceback__. >> >> The problem is to make computation of the traceback summary lightweight >> enough that it doesn't degrade performance in the common case where you >> do

Re: [Python-Dev] First attempt at Python 3.4.0rc3 is up

2014-03-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 7 March 2014 21:00, Larry Hastings wrote: > > > It's published here: > > http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.4/ Thanks for that Larry - commits and NEWS for the pip bundling, pkgutil and inspect changes all look good to me :) Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisban

[Python-Dev] First attempt at Python 3.4.0rc3 is up

2014-03-07 Thread Larry Hastings
It's published here: http://hg.python.org/releasing/3.4/ There's also a tarball at the old web site: http://midwinter.com/~larry/3.4.status/ However, the "merge.status.html" page is broken. I'm not going to bother to fix it, instead please just look at the hg repo above. I think