Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
mar...@v.loewis.de writes: > For gaining commit access, it's really more important that the patch > is factually finished, than that it's author believes it to. If people > get it right the first time often enough, they get commit access. Yes, that's what I had in mind, but I guess I explained

[Python-Dev] your next regular installment of python 2.7

2014-04-13 Thread Benjamin Peterson
Yep, it's almost that time of the year again. My proposed schedule for 2.7.7 is May 12th, 2.7.7rc1 May 26th, 2.7.7 final That means if you want your 2.7 improvement to see the light of day before November, the next few weeks are the time to do it. (PEP 446, I'm looking at you.) Also, I doubt any

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread martin
Quoting "Stephen J. Turnbull" : Your modesty is not in question. :-) An explicit statement that "These are ready" allows an experienced developer to give you feedback not only about whether the patches are in fact ready, but whether your judgment about patches is ready for commit privileges --

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
"Martin v. Löwis" writes: > Am 13.04.14 08:36, schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull: > > - core-mentorship is *explicitly* for poking Those Who Can Help > >(among other requests for help); > > It would be worth an experiment. I know that I wouldn't have reviewed > Nikolaus' patches if he had po

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Jython Report

2014-04-13 Thread Guido van Rossum
Jim and Frank, I just wanted to thank you both (and all other Jython developers) for sending this update, and for your great and continued work on Jython. I'm sorry neither of you could come to PyCon but I am very happy that the torch is being carried!! It's a fantastic list indeed. --Guido On

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Nikolaus Rath writes: > I've described the status of each bug in more detail in my reply > Terry, but generally all the issues contain a testcase (i.e., so I > consider them confirmed), do not require a PEP, contain a patch that > needs review and include documentation updates. I have signed

Re: [Python-Dev] static typing of input arguments in signatures

2014-04-13 Thread R. David Murray
On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 15:59:36 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/13/2014 4:11 AM, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Stefan Behnel wrote: > > > >> Stefan Behnel, 12.04.2014 19:11: > >> > >> So, what I've learned from seven years of Cython is that static typing in > >> signatures

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.7 Windows installers (Was: death to 2.7; long live 2.7)

2014-04-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 13.04.14 22:02, schrieb Steve Dower: > I replied to the other email before I saw this one. Same here :-) > Consider this my self-nomination to take over, pending a quick email to > Microsoft's lawyers to make sure it's okay (it should be, but IANAL and > they wrote the policy). > > My plan wo

Re: [Python-Dev] Windows installers and OpenSSL

2014-04-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 13.04.14 21:41, schrieb Steve Dower: > I'm willing to embark on migrating the entire installer to WiX, which > doesn't directly fix any particular issue, but could significantly > reduce the overhead of building and maintaining the Windows installers. I somewhat doubt that it could reduce the o

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Nikolaus Rath
"Martin v. Löwis" writes: > Am 13.04.14 08:36, schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull: > >> I admit the tone was biased toward nagging or "blaming the victim", >> and again I apologize for causing misunderstanding. Nikolaus isn't >> "wrong" for posting here. My claim is that in current circumstances, >> co

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Nikolaus Rath
"Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > I apologize for the tone. I need to go *right* now, and can't fix > that. Really, I'm sympathetic and my goal is not just to defend > python-dev, but to help you get the reviews your work deserves. > Please read with that in mind. Will do - but why the rush? Be a

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Terry Reedy writes: [Quote conveniently rearranged] >> I've accumulated a number of patches in the issue tracker that are >> waiting for someone to review/commit/reject them. I'm eager to make >> corrections as necessary, I just need someone to look the work that I've >> done so far: > > Do you co

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.7 Windows installers (Was: death to 2.7; long live 2.7)

2014-04-13 Thread Steve Dower
I replied to the other email before I saw this one. Consider this my self-nomination to take over, pending a quick email to Microsoft's lawyers to make sure it's okay (it should be, but IANAL and they wrote the policy). My plan would be to rewrite the installer using WiX but retaining compatibi

Re: [Python-Dev] static typing of input arguments in signatures

2014-04-13 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/13/2014 4:11 AM, Łukasz Langa wrote: On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Stefan Behnel wrote: Stefan Behnel, 12.04.2014 19:11: So, what I've learned from seven years of Cython is that static typing in signatures is actually less interesting than you might think at first sight. It might be ok f

Re: [Python-Dev] Windows installers and OpenSSL

2014-04-13 Thread Steve Dower
I'm willing to embark on migrating the entire installer to WiX, which doesn't directly fix any particular issue, but could significantly reduce the overhead of building and maintaining the Windows installers. Martin - are you at PyCon today? Can we chat to figure out what how much of the work y

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/13/2014 2:46 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: As for the request "Are you sure that the patch is ready": this is *very* difficult to answer for the author. We all have experienced that patches that we considered good were critized out of nowhere, and I just did the same to Nikolaus. There is ju

Re: [Python-Dev] Windows installers and OpenSSL

2014-04-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 10.04.14 15:41, schrieb Paul Moore: > Given the OpenSSL vulnerability and the fact that we bundle OpenSSL > with the Windows installers (1.0.1e in Python 3.4.0) should we be > releasing updated installers? As others have said: certainly, and only for 3.4.0 (i.e. 2.7 in particular is not affecte

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 13.04.14 08:36, schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull: > I admit the tone was biased toward nagging or "blaming the victim", > and again I apologize for causing misunderstanding. Nikolaus isn't > "wrong" for posting here. My claim is that in current circumstances, > core-mentorship would be a more *eff

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 13.04.14 03:07, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 17:30, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> I apologize for the tone. I need to go *right* now, and can't fix >> that. Really, I'm sympathetic and my goal is not just to defend >> python-dev, but to help you get the reviews your wo

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.7 Windows installers (Was: death to 2.7; long live 2.7)

2014-04-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 10.04.14 03:22, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: > We'll keep doing what we're currently doing for another year, making > normal bug fix releases with installers. After that, we _won't_ close > 2.7 to normal bug fixes as is currently implied by the release schedule. After thinking about this plan, I

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 13/04/2014 03:07, Benjamin Peterson a écrit : On Sat, Apr 12, 2014, at 17:30, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I apologize for the tone. I need to go *right* now, and can't fix that. Really, I'm sympathetic and my goal is not just to defend python-dev, but to help you get the reviews your work de

Re: [Python-Dev] python-3.4.0

2014-04-13 Thread Zachary Ware
On April 13, 2014 10:31:24 AM CDT, Greg Mildenstein wrote: >Hi, > >I'm running windows 8.1 64 bit. I was using 'python-3.3.1.amd64' but >have uninstalled it and installed the above version. However, when I >try running 'PyScripter', I get an error stating, 'ERROR - unable to >open python, it w

[Python-Dev] python-3.4.0

2014-04-13 Thread Greg Mildenstein
Hi, I'm running windows 8.1 64 bit. I was using 'python-3.3.1.amd64' but have uninstalled it and installed the above version. However, when I try running 'PyScripter', I get an error stating, 'ERROR - unable to open python, it will now exit'. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Thanks Greg

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Janzert writes: > On 4/13/2014 2:36 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > [snip] > > My claim is that in current circumstances, > > core-mentorship would be a more *effective* channel because > > > > - core-mentorship is *explicitly* for poking Those Who Can Help > > (among other requests f

Re: [Python-Dev] flock in Python 3

2014-04-13 Thread Jakub QB Dorňák
You are right, it should be https://pypi.python.org/pypi/flock - Original Message - From: "Benjamin Peterson" To: "Jakub QB Dorňák" , "Python Dev" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 6:38:43 PM Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] flock in Python 3 On Fri, Apr 11, 2014, at 5:58, Jakub QB Dorňák wrote: >

Re: [Python-Dev] Appeal for reviews

2014-04-13 Thread Janzert
On 4/13/2014 2:36 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: [snip] My claim is that in current circumstances, core-mentorship would be a more *effective* channel because - core-mentorship is *explicitly* for poking Those Who Can Help (among other requests for help); - a surprisingly large (to me,

Re: [Python-Dev] static typing of input arguments in signatures (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-04-13 Thread Łukasz Langa
On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Stefan Behnel wrote: > Stefan Behnel, 12.04.2014 19:11: > > So, what I've learned from seven years of Cython is that static typing in > signatures is actually less interesting than you might think at first > sight. It might be ok for documentation purposes, although