Re: [Python-Dev] Updating turtle.py

2014-06-02 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 2 June 2014 14:03, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Raymond Hettinger writes: It's a bummer, but in mature code, almost every idea that occurs to a beginner is something that makes the code worse in some way -- that isn't always true but it happens often enough to be

Re: [Python-Dev] Updating turtle.py

2014-06-02 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 01.06.14 00:21, schrieb Terry Reedy: Responding today, I cautioned that clean-up only patches, such as she apparently would like to start with, are not in favor. I would not say that. I recall that I asked Gregor to make a number of style changes before he submitted the code, and

Re: [Python-Dev] Should standard library modules optimize for CPython?

2014-06-02 Thread Victor Stinner
2014-06-01 10:11 GMT+02:00 Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info: My feeling is that the CPython standard library should be written for CPython, Right. PyPy, Jython and IronPython already have their own standard library when they need a different implement. PyPy: lib_pypy directory (lib-python

Re: [Python-Dev] Updating turtle.py

2014-06-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Nick Coghlan writes: Even if we had unlimited reviewer resources (which we don't), Raymond said interns. We at least have a mentor. There's a reason the desire to throw it out and start again with a clean slate is a common trait amongst developers: You mean the Cascade of

Re: [Python-Dev] Should standard library modules optimize for CPython?

2014-06-02 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-06-01 10:11 GMT+02:00 Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info: My feeling is that the CPython standard library should be written for CPython, Right. PyPy, Jython and IronPython already have their own standard

Re: [Python-Dev] Updating turtle.py

2014-06-02 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/2/2014 3:12 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Even if we had unlimited reviewer resources (which we don't), mechanical code cleanups tend to fall under the if it ain't broke, don't fix it guideline. That then sets us up for a conflict between folks just getting started and trying to be helpful, and

Re: [Python-Dev] Should standard library modules optimize for CPython?

2014-06-02 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski, 02.06.2014 10:48: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: 2014-06-01 10:11 GMT+02:00 Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info: My feeling is that the CPython standard library should be written for CPython, Right. PyPy, Jython and IronPython already have their

Re: [Python-Dev] use cases for python-config versus pkg-config python

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
Hi, following up myself with a patch proposal: On 05/28/2014 04:51 PM, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Stumbling over problems on AIX (Modules/python.exp not found) building libxml2 as python module let me wonder about the intended use-cases for 'python-config' and 'pkg-config python'.

Re: [Python-Dev] use cases for python-config versus pkg-config python

2014-06-02 Thread Brett Cannon
Patches sent to python-dev are typically ignored. Could you open an issue on bugs.python.org and upload it there? On Mon Jun 02 2014 at 2:20:43 PM, Michael Haubenwallner michael.haubenwall...@ssi-schaefer.com wrote: Hi, following up myself with a patch proposal: On 05/28/2014 04:51 PM,

Re: [Python-Dev] use cases for python-config versus pkg-config python

2014-06-02 Thread Matthias Klose
Am 02.06.2014 20:11, schrieb Michael Haubenwallner: Hi, following up myself with a patch proposal: On 05/28/2014 04:51 PM, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Stumbling over problems on AIX (Modules/python.exp not found) building libxml2 as python module let me wonder about the intended