Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014, at 19:13, Ned Deily wrote: > In article > , > Zachary Ware wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > > > 3. security: "fixing issues exploitable by attackers such as crashes, > > > privilege escalation and, optionally, other issues such as denial of > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Zachary Ware wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > > 3. security: "fixing issues exploitable by attackers such as crashes, > > privilege escalation and, optionally, other issues such as denial of > > service attacks. Any other changes are not considered a sec

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2014-10-06, 20:03 GMT, Victor Stinner wrote: > I started a list of Python 2 bugs that will not be fixed: > http://haypo-notes.readthedocs.org/python.html\ > #bugs-that-won-t-be-fixed-in-python-2-anymore > > It *is* possible to fix all bugs, but it requires a large amount of > work, and we decide

Re: [Python-Dev] Idea to support lazy loaded names.

2014-10-06 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014, at 16:36, Brian Allen Vanderburg II wrote: > I've got an idea for Python but don't know where to post it. python-id...@python.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev U

[Python-Dev] Idea to support lazy loaded names.

2014-10-06 Thread Brian Allen Vanderburg II
I've got an idea for Python but don't know where to post it. It seems like this may be the right place. When developing Python libraries (and any other language for that matter), items are separated into modules for organization and other purpose. The following is an example fake framework to il

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, 2014-10-06 18:08 GMT+02:00 Ethan Furman : > With the incredibly long life span of 2.7, which bugs should we *not* fix? I started a list of Python 2 bugs that will not be fixed: http://haypo-notes.readthedocs.org/python.html#bugs-that-won-t-be-fixed-in-python-2-anymore It *is* possible to fix

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:18:23 +0200, Christian Tismer wrote: > On 06.10.14 20:55, Zachary Ware wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > >> 3. security: "fixing issues exploitable by attackers such as crashes, > >> privilege escalation and, optionally, other issues such as de

Re: [Python-Dev] Semi-official read-only Github mirror of the CPython Mercurial repository

2014-10-06 Thread Benjamin Peterson
Eli, Thanks for setting this up. People are evidently finding it quite useful and are wondering if it could be more frequently run. We don't want you to have to absorb the bandwidth costs yourself, though. Is the code you use available somewhere? It shouldn't be hard to set up the cron job on PSF i

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Zachary Ware
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Christian Tismer wrote: > My impression is that no 3.X user ever would want to stick > with any older version. > > Is that true, or am I totally wrong? My impression is that you're mostly right, but only because those who would still be on 3.1 are actually still on

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Christian Tismer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06.10.14 20:55, Zachary Ware wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Ned Deily wrote: >> 3. security: "fixing issues exploitable by attackers such as crashes, >> privilege escalation and, optionally, other issues such as denial of >> service a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Zachary Ware
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > 3. security: "fixing issues exploitable by attackers such as crashes, > privilege escalation and, optionally, other issues such as denial of > service attacks. Any other changes are not considered a security risk > and thus not backported to a se

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Ned Deily wrote: >> So 2.7.x is not "security only" and wouldn't reach that stage until 2020 >> under current policy. > > Apparently no other 2.x release qualifies as "security only" at this > point? I would

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Skip Montanaro wrote: > Apparently no other 2.x release qualifies as "security only" at this > point? I would have expected at least 2.6 to fall into that category. 2.6 had its five-year run. "Python 2.6.9 is the final security-only source-only maintenance release of the Python 2

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > So 2.7.x is not "security only" and wouldn't reach that stage until 2020 > under current policy. Apparently no other 2.x release qualifies as "security only" at this point? I would have expected at least 2.6 to fall into that category. Skip ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Ned Deily
In article <5432be77.40...@stoneleaf.us>, Ethan Furman wrote: > With the incredibly long life span of 2.7, which bugs should we *not* fix? > > For example, in http://bugs.python.org/issue22297 I mentioned one reason to > not fix that bug was that the fix was not in > 3.1-3.3, but 2.7 will outl

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 09:08:23 -0700 Ethan Furman wrote: > With the incredibly long life span of 2.7, which bugs should we *not* fix?* Those that are not bugs but enhancement requests. On that issue, you pointed out there was no regression and that enums were never meant to be supported by the json

[Python-Dev] Fixing 2.7.x

2014-10-06 Thread Ethan Furman
With the incredibly long life span of 2.7, which bugs should we *not* fix? For example, in http://bugs.python.org/issue22297 I mentioned one reason to not fix that bug was that the fix was not in 3.1-3.3, but 2.7 will outlive all those plus a couple more. So, what are the current guidelines on

Re: [Python-Dev] bytes-like objects

2014-10-06 Thread Christian Tismer
On 06/10/14 10:33, Georg Brandl wrote: > bytes-like object Howdy, two small comments: 1) just as a quick check, I did a Python search for exactly that phrase https://docs.python.org/3/search.html?q=bytes-like+object&check_keywords=yes&area=default with zero results. Maybe it would be a good t

Re: [Python-Dev] bytes-like objects

2014-10-06 Thread Georg Brandl
On 10/06/2014 06:34 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > 3. "buffer" is a completely new term for most users, and one that > refers to an implementation detail of memoryview, moreso than > something developers actually need to care about. Using it directly in > error messages and documentation is to make the