Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process?

2015-07-22 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Jul 22 2015, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 July 2015 at 13:23, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: If it were up to me, I'd focus all the resources of the PSF on reducing this backlog - be that by hiring some core developers to work full-time on just the open bugtracker

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 447 (type.__getdescriptor__)

2015-07-22 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/22/2015 3:25 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: Hi, Another summer with another EuroPython, which means its time again to try to revive PEP 447… I’ve just pushes a minor update to the PEP and would like to get some feedback on this, arguably fairly esoteric, PEP. Yeh, a bit too esoteric for

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 447 (type.__getdescriptor__)

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Dower
Terry Reedy wrote: On 7/22/2015 3:25 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: Hi, Another summer with another EuroPython, which means its time again to try to revive PEP 447… I’ve just pushes a minor update to the PEP and would like to get some feedback on this, arguably fairly esoteric, PEP. Yeh, a

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 447 (type.__getdescriptor__)

2015-07-22 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 22 Jul 2015, at 19:12, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote: Terry Reedy wrote: On 7/22/2015 3:25 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: Hi, Another summer with another EuroPython, which means its time again to try to revive PEP 447… I’ve just pushes a minor update to the PEP and would

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 447 (type.__getdescriptor__)

2015-07-22 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 22 Jul 2015, at 18:02, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 7/22/2015 3:25 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: Hi, Another summer with another EuroPython, which means its time again to try to revive PEP 447… I’ve just pushes a minor update to the PEP and would like to get some feedback

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4.3 on RedHat 6.6 s390x make fails with: make: *** [sharedmods] Error 139

2015-07-22 Thread Ludovic Gasc
Hi Jo, Terry has right, however, if you launch this command before the compilation, it should work: https://github.com/saghul/pythonz/blob/master/README.rst#rpm-family-centos-rhel In case of it doesn't work, please contact me privately to avoid to pollute this mailing list. Have a nice day.

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

2015-07-22 Thread Dima Tisnek
Since I started this thread: I like mock's magic I appreciate plain language extra features (.called, .reset_mock(), .side_effect, etc) [1] I even appreciate assert* error magic [2] assret* is just puzzling, unexpected. [1] those who want clear separation like `._assert_called_with()` are going

[Python-Dev] PEP 447 (type.__getdescriptor__)

2015-07-22 Thread Ronald Oussoren
Hi, Another summer with another EuroPython, which means its time again to try to revive PEP 447… I’ve just pushes a minor update to the PEP and would like to get some feedback on this, arguably fairly esoteric, PEP. The PEP proposes to to replace direct access to the class __dict__ in

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4.3 on RedHat 6.6 s390x make fails with: make: *** [sharedmods] Error 139

2015-07-22 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/21/2015 6:20 PM, Vitale, Joseph wrote: Hello, Trying to install Python 3.4.3 on Red Hat 6.6 zLinux(s390x) but “make” fails and core dumps. Not using OpenSSL and did not configure for it. Questions about installing current Python should be directed to python-list. pydev is for

Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process? (was Re: How far to go with user-friendliness)

2015-07-22 Thread Paul Moore
On 22 July 2015 at 12:09, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: 5. Assume that the decision was well-considered and made with good reasons. If you don't understand the reasons, and feel you need to, ask for them, but refrain from judgement until you have the reasons. The original mail in this

Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process?

2015-07-22 Thread Florian Bruhin
* Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org [2015-07-21 20:23:15 -0700]: On Jul 21 2015, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: All of this is why the chart that I believe should be worrying people is the topmost one on this page: http://bugs.python.org/issue?@template=stats Both the number of

Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process? (was Re: How far to go with user-friendliness)

2015-07-22 Thread Paul Moore
On 22 July 2015 at 03:18, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: The only *practical* suggestion from the core has been self- restraint on the part of the crowd I would have said the following has been covered, but maybe not. At the risk of repeating something that's already been said,

Re: [Python-Dev] Devguide - Add Communications Quick Start Section

2015-07-22 Thread Paul Moore
On 21 July 2015 at 18:06, Carol Willing willi...@willingconsulting.com wrote: The Communications Quick Start section would be brief and practical much like the Quick Start section for downloading and testing the source code. Placing the Communications Quick Start section before the existing

Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process? (was Re: How far to go with user-friendliness)

2015-07-22 Thread Alexander Belopolsky
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: does anyone seriously think a core dev commits code as a joke??? Yes, https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/0530aadff696. :-) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Devguide - Add Communications Quick Start Section

2015-07-22 Thread Ben Finney
Carol Willing willi...@willingconsulting.com writes: The Communications Quick Start section would be brief and practical much like the Quick Start section for downloading and testing the source code. +1, thanks for the practical contribution! -- \ “Anyone who puts a small gloss on