Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3145 (With Contents)

2009-09-15 Thread Oleg Broytmann
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Re: [Python-Dev] how to debug httplib slowness

2009-09-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3144: IP Address Manipulation Library for the Python Standard Library

2009-08-21 Thread Oleg Broytmann
http://ipaddr-py.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.0.x/ipaddr.py _compat_has_real_bytes = bytes != str Wouldn't it be nicer bytes is not str? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3144: IP Address Manipulation Library for the Python Standard Library

2009-08-18 Thread Oleg Broytmann
__new__ never create an instance of its class, instead they create instances of other classes. Why IPv4 and IPv6 are classes and not (factory) functions (like function IP)? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3144: IP Address Manipulation Library for the Python Standard Library

2009-08-18 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 01:53:36PM -0700, Peter Moody wrote: hold over from when I was trying to be too fancy. fixed as well. Thank you. The PEP and the code is Ok for me. Something like this should be in the stdlib. Currently I'm using IPy. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp

Re: [Python-Dev] VC++ versions to match python versions?

2009-08-17 Thread Oleg Broytmann
for sure: Python 2.5: MSVC-7.1 (VC++ 2003) Python 2.6: MSVC-9.0 (VS 2008) Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: the eol-type issue

2009-08-05 Thread Oleg Broytmann
configuration mechanism. Subversion handles these issues by providing svn:eol-style and svn:mime-type (handles both MIME type and charset) properties on a file-by-file basis. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: Mercurial issues

2009-08-05 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 05:50:03PM +0400, Oleg Broytmann wrote: Subversion handles these issues by providing ... svn:mime-type (handles both MIME type and charset) file-by-file basis. Dirkjan, how does Mercurial handles charsets? If I have three files in my repository - one in utf-8

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: Mercurial issues

2009-08-05 Thread Oleg Broytmann
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: the charset issue

2009-08-05 Thread Oleg Broytmann
be marked, or converted to ascii or utf-8; the coding pseudocomment (directive) should be changed accordingly. Probably there are other files. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: Mercurial issues

2009-08-05 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:34:39AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Oleg Broytmann writes: Dirkjan, how does Mercurial handles charsets? If I have three files in my repository - one in utf-8, another in koi8-r, and the third in cp1251 encoding - I certainly don't want to convert them

Re: [Python-Dev] expy: an expressway to extend Python

2009-07-21 Thread Oleg Broytmann
developers to develop Python (if you posted this to the python-dev mailing list instead of c.l.p or c.l.p.a)? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] expy: an expressway to extend Python

2009-07-21 Thread Oleg Broytmann
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Re: [Python-Dev] expy: an expressway to extend Python

2009-07-21 Thread Oleg Broytmann
functions are declared in Python, so I think annotations is the way to go for such declarations. Python 3.0 has arguments and return value annotations: http://docs.python.org/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html#new-syntax http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3107/ Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial and linefeeds

2009-06-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
is probably running on a Unix OS. http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/FAQ#FAQ.2BAC8-TechnicalDetails.What_about_Windows_line_endings_vs._Unix_line_endings.3F Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial, linefeeds, and Visual Studio

2009-06-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
for this particular file). Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] question about docstring formatting

2009-05-28 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:06:03AM -0400, Jeremy Hylton wrote: It says that the summary line may be used by automatic indexing tools, but is there any evidence that such a tool actually exists? epydoc, for one. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p

Re: [Python-Dev] Easy way to detect filesystem case-sensitivity?

2009-05-08 Thread Oleg Broytmann
is on a different filesystem with different rules (consider NFS, SMB/CIFS, etc.)? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list

[Python-Dev] PyPI copyright

2009-05-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
http://pypi.python.org/pypi Copyright © 1990-2007, Python Software Foundation :s/2007/2009/ Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 383 (again)

2009-04-28 Thread Oleg Broytmann
program will be about zero. What the way should be - I don't know. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 383 (again)

2009-04-28 Thread Oleg Broytmann
to raise errors Python becomes completely unusable for me! But is there anything I can debug here? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 383 (again)

2009-04-28 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:32:26AM +0200, Thomas Breuel wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:00, Oleg Broytmann p...@phd.pp.ru wrote: I have an FTP server to which clients with different local encodings are connecting. FTP protocol doesn't have a notion of encoding so filenames

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 383: Non-decodable Bytes in System Character Interfaces

2009-04-25 Thread Oleg Broytmann
. In different encodings on the same filesystem... Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] Dates in python-dev

2009-04-24 Thread Oleg Broytmann
? :-)) with the _middle_ ones changing fastest! I know it's the US standard, but Python is global. Could we have an 'international' style instead, say, year-month-day: ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2009-04-17 - 2009-04-24) +1000 from me! Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue5434: datetime.monthdelta

2009-04-16 Thread Oleg Broytmann
an exact period offset from a date. I'd rather see the code merged with timedelta: timedelta(months=n). Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] BLOBs in Pg (was: email package Bytes vs Unicode)

2009-04-09 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 01:14:21PM -0400, Tony Nelson wrote: I use MySQL, but sort of intend to learn PostgreSQL. I didn't know that PostgreSQL has no real support for BLOBs. I think it has - BYTEA data type. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p

Re: [Python-Dev] BLOBs in Pg

2009-04-09 Thread Oleg Broytmann
\xd7\xd8\xd9\xda\xdb\xdc\xdd\xde\xdf\xe0\xe1\xe2\xe3\xe4\xe5\xe6\xe7\xe8\xe9\xea\xeb\xec\xed\xee\xef\xf0\xf1\xf2\xf3\xf4\xf5\xf6\xf7\xf8\xf9\xfa\xfb\xfc\xfd\xfe\xff' What am I doing wrong? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru

Re: [Python-Dev] Ext4 data loss

2009-03-13 Thread Oleg Broytmann
OS/FS (ZFS? NTFS?) Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] Ext4 data loss

2009-03-13 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:28:07PM +0300, Oleg Broytmann wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:14:41PM -0600, Adam Olsen wrote: Yet the ext4 developers didn't see it that way, so it was sacrificed to new performance improvements (delayed allocation). Ext4 is not the only FS with delayed

Re: [Python-Dev] Ext4 data loss

2009-03-11 Thread Oleg Broytmann
privileges, so why not copy? As for group ownership - any user can change group if [s]he belongs to the group. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] Integrate BeautifulSoup into stdlib?

2009-03-09 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:30:25PM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: Ubuntu (and probably Debian): apt-get install python-lxml Tested in Debian: yes, the incantation works. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die

Re: [Python-Dev] pprint(iterator)

2009-01-29 Thread Oleg Broytmann
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Re: [Python-Dev] pprint(iterator)

2009-01-27 Thread Oleg Broytmann
() must have a parameter, say, 'max_items', and print generator: 'A', 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F', The situation with iterators that cannot be reset should be documented. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just

Re: [Python-Dev] Should ftplib use UTF-8 instead of latin-1 encoding?

2009-01-23 Thread Oleg Broytmann
all. One can encounter a server that stores files in a number of different encodings. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Should ftplib use UTF-8 instead of latin-1 encoding?

2009-01-23 Thread Oleg Broytmann
Apache in this area. But they don't. Pity. :( Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] Should ftplib use UTF-8 instead of latin-1 encoding?

2009-01-23 Thread Oleg Broytmann
and pyftpd. My not so humble opinion is - either use bytes instead of strings or use latin-1 because it is the straightforward encoding that preserves all 8 bits. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/p...@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB

Re: [Python-Dev] patch suggestion for webbrowser

2009-01-01 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 02:24:02PM +0200, Yinon Ehrlich wrote: enclosed a patch for webbrowser which will find applications/batch files ending with .com or .cmd too. Please submit the patch to the issue tracker: http://bugs.python.org/ Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-3.0, unicode, and os.environ

2008-12-06 Thread Oleg Broytmann
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Re: [Python-Dev] Python-3.0, unicode, and os.environ

2008-12-06 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 12:03:55PM +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I'd rather have the Python API report errors then silence them, at least by default. +1 for encoding errors by default. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-3.0, unicode, and os.environ

2008-12-06 Thread Oleg Broytmann
/LC_CTYPE provide a sensible default, but if a program has problems decoding bytes to characters there must be a way for the user to override the default. But the user must be notified about the error, so programs must not silently filters out non-decodable characters. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Removal of GIL through refcounting removal.

2008-10-31 Thread Oleg Broytmann
- namespaces, modules, etc. Multithreading model allows a number of processes to share memory. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Update to httplib.py

2008-09-25 Thread Oleg Broytmann
('82.94.237.218', 80) Doesn't it already do that? It's the destination address. AFAIU OP said about source address - in case the program runs on a computer with many addresses - multihomed server or such... Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Python-Dev] ANNOUNCE: CapPython, an object-capability subset of Python

2008-09-18 Thread Oleg Broytmann
. ;) Or may be captyve because the goal of the project is to make some code captive. :) Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb and sqlite

2008-09-07 Thread Oleg Broytmann
, but PySQLite... there are many minor releases between Python releases; my humble opinion is it'd be better to have one external PySQLite module than two (PySQLite and sqlite3). Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die

Re: [Python-Dev] 3rd party dbm (was: [issue3769] Deprecate bsddb for removal in 3.0)

2008-09-07 Thread Oleg Broytmann
(filename) except: return False else: return True Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb

2008-09-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
, for example, all of this is abstracted and you simply use regular python objects. Durus (and ZODB) has an index of all objects, the index is stored in memory AFAIK - a real problem if one has millions of objects. Does bsddb help to mitigate the problem? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann

Re: [Python-Dev] SQLite (was: bsddb alternative)

2008-09-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:07:23PM -0400, Jeff Hall wrote: Doesn't SQLlite still have a 4gb cap? http://sqlite.org/limits.html Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb

2008-09-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
of taste, I think. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman

[Python-Dev] 3rd-party dbms

2008-09-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
similar to atexit module - every hash module will register its own test function, and whichdb will call them in turn until it finds which db it is. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess insufficiently platform-independent?

2008-08-25 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 01:30:58PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: Unless I'm misremembering (I no longer have access to Windows), I believe that if you use ' '.join(cmd) as the first argument, it will work cross-platform. What about arguments that contain spaces? Oleg. -- Oleg

Re: [Python-Dev] next beta

2008-08-11 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:50:16PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Ah, am I the only one *not* to use Google calendar? :) Certainly, no! (-: Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] April 1st jokes (was: Base-96)

2008-08-03 Thread Oleg Broytmann
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Re: [Python-Dev] urllib.quote and unquote - Unicode issues

2008-07-30 Thread Oleg Broytmann
%D0%B4%D0%BE_%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D1%83%D0%BC LingVo (Russian-English dictionary): http://lingvo.yandex.ru/en?text=%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD print urllib.quote(unicode('питон', 'koi8-r').encode('utf-8')) %D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann

Re: [Python-Dev] str(container) should call str(item), not repr(item)

2008-07-28 Thread Oleg Broytmann
for implementation that would be good enough to be accepted. Current proposals for implementation are listed in the PEP with their disadvantages. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] Slice as a copy... by design?

2008-05-22 Thread Oleg Broytmann
/python-3000/2006-August/003224.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2006-August/003242.html 2006, August... I don't remember what was the resolution of the discussion. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't

Re: [Python-Dev] Addition of pyprocessing module to standard lib.

2008-05-21 Thread Oleg Broytmann
WatTCP library), but certainly cannot do multithreading or multitasking. So the wording should be Python supports platform X with the following limitations: ... Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal: new environment variable PYTHONSTDOUTENCODING

2008-05-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
encoding)? Naming contest: it probably would be the longest of the PYTHON* variables. I would not want to call it PYTHONENCODING, or PYTHONSTDENCODING, though, because people might infer that it affects sys.getdefaultencoding(), which it shouldn't. PYTHONIOENCODING? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal: new environment variable PYTHONSTDOUTENCODING

2008-05-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
and STDOUT - shorten ENCODING to ENC. If you agree to sacrifice PYTHON - make it PYSTDOUTENCODING. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

[Python-Dev] SSH connection sharing

2008-05-16 Thread Oleg Broytmann
/controls/* Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbots have trouble checking out the repository due to recent changes.

2008-05-11 Thread Oleg Broytmann
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Re: [Python-Dev] shal we redefine module and package?

2008-04-30 Thread Oleg Broytmann
poisonously [pythonic?] sarcastic. Just cannot resist.) Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

[Python-Dev] Decimal(unicode)

2008-03-25 Thread Oleg Broytmann
return a str? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Python-Dev] Decimal(unicode)

2008-03-25 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:47:42AM -0400, Mark Dickinson wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Oleg Broytmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 2.5.2 it prints type 'str' type 'unicode' Why the change? Is it a bug or a feature? Shouldn't .to_eng_string() always return a str

Re: [Python-Dev] Primer on distributed revision control?

2008-03-21 Thread Oleg Broytmann
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Re: [Python-Dev] Trove classifiers

2008-03-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
to be the inventor, but there are different voices against him: http://damagestudios.net/blog/2005/08/15/sourceforge-founders Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] New/Old class exception pitfall

2008-03-17 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 06:35:46PM -0400, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: class x: pass class y(x): pass try: raise y except y: print a except: print b It prints 'b'. Python 2.2, 2.3, 2.4 and 2.5 on Linux: prints 'a'. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru

Re: [Python-Dev] New/Old class exception pitfall

2008-03-17 Thread Oleg Broytmann
it prints 'b'. class x: pass class y(x): pass try: raise y except y: print a except: print b Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] Documentation for ability to execute zipfiles directories

2008-03-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 10:35:42PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: not needing an explicit interpreter option makes it more shebang friendly Sorry, I missed something here. How does one combine a zipfile with a shebang script?! Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru

Re: [Python-Dev] Documentation for ability to execute zipfiles directories

2008-03-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
brought to my attention :) So it really works? Amazing! Thank you! Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbots for trunk are all red

2008-02-28 Thread Oleg Broytmann
they were about? about the architecture of BDBStorage and Subversion, or about the very BerkeleyDB, or about what? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbots for trunk are all red

2008-02-26 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:04:47PM -0800, Brett Cannon wrote: Or we can get rid of bsddb and not have the problem anymore. =) +1 for smaller stdlib and fewer problems. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r60919 - peps/trunk/pep-0008.txt

2008-02-22 Thread Oleg Broytmann
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Re: [Python-Dev] trunc()

2008-01-25 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 11:32:54AM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: Does no-one thinks it means round(f) either? I don't think so. I often emulate round(f) as int(f + 0.5). Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die

Re: [Python-Dev] Incorrect documentation of the raw_input built-in function

2008-01-24 Thread Oleg Broytmann
IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor But it is possible to explicitly open the current console for reading and writing and do I/O regardless of stdin/stdout/stderr redirects: tty = open(/dev/tty, r+) tty.write(1\n) 1 line = tty.readline() DDD line 'DDD\n' Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann

Re: [Python-Dev] #! magic

2008-01-21 Thread Oleg Broytmann
| file | -] [arg] ... Try `python -h' for more information. $ python -E -s Unknown option: -s usage: python [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ... Try `python -h' for more information. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Python-Dev] #! magic (was PEP: per user site-packages directory)

2008-01-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
platforms silently ignores the options, some reports an error, some tries to find python -E -s in the PATH and report Bad command or file name. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] #! magic

2008-01-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 06:25:57PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: -On [20080120 18:12], Oleg Broytmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On most Unicies #! magic may have only one parameter after the program; the program here is env, the parameter is python, and that's all. Adding

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
systems. There is (at least) one linux distro using it, but it's not very well-known. Gobo Linux? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] #! magic

2008-01-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 07:30:03PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: Oleg Broytmann wrote: #! /usr/bin/env python -O [trying to execute the script on Linux] /usr/bin/env: python -O: No such file or directory Oleg. Oh right. I was sure that I've seen a shebang with options

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 07:34:02PM +0100, Jan Claeys wrote: Op zondag 20-01-2008 om 20:46 uur [tijdzone +0300], schreef Oleg Broytmann: On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 06:46:31PM +0100, Jan Claeys wrote: Op woensdag 16-01-2008 om 02:33 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Christian Heimes

Re: [Python-Dev] #! magic

2008-01-20 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 12:17:20AM +0200, Tristan Seligmann wrote: * Oleg Broytmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-01-20 20:12:38 +0300]: On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 06:00:31PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: #!/usr/bin/env python -E -s On most Unicies #! magic may have only one parameter

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: per user site-packages directory

2008-01-15 Thread Oleg Broytmann
distributions), Solaris and FreeBSD for quite a long time (though I have never used GNOME/KDE/etc.) Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP: per user site-packages directory

2008-01-15 Thread Oleg Broytmann
/.local/bin at the site. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Oleg Broytmann
Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Oleg Broytmann
look like. :barf: Why not use GNU stow? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-Dev Digest, Vol 54, Issue 57

2008-01-15 Thread Oleg Broytmann
~/local, but both work for me. Having ~/.python allows me remove it with just one command. It's harder to clear ~/.local/{bin,lib} without affecting whatever I want to preserve there. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers

Re: [Python-Dev] pkgutil, pkg_resource and Python 3.0 name space packages

2008-01-07 Thread Oleg Broytmann
Python, I don't want to be reminded of that fact on every import line. When I'm using Jython - am I using Python of Java? After from java.lang import Class should it be from py import exceptions or from core import exceptions ? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp

Re: [Python-Dev] pkgutil, pkg_resource and Python 3.0 name space packages

2008-01-06 Thread Oleg Broytmann
import database.sqlite you know exactly what version you are importing. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Return type of round, floor, and ceil in 2.6

2008-01-05 Thread Oleg Broytmann
/fixing. Well, don't know. It talks about the rounding in Python, but mentioning only the binary floating point. In Decimal you have a lot of different roundings available... it's worth to mention them? IMO it's worth to mention the existing of them, briefly. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann

Re: [Python-Dev] New Standard Library Module

2007-12-05 Thread Oleg Broytmann
antigravity XKCD'ly yours ;) Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] blocking a non-blocking socket

2007-12-02 Thread Oleg Broytmann
for all cases: if the timeout is None (socket is blocking) or 0 (non-blocking) or not-0 (blocking with timeout) - just set it back. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] [poll] New name for __builtins__

2007-11-30 Thread Oleg Broytmann
think it'd be the best. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] [poll] New name for __builtins__

2007-11-29 Thread Oleg Broytmann
! __Oleg__Stressed__by__undersores__'ly yours. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] [poll] New name for __builtins__

2007-11-29 Thread Oleg Broytmann
? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] MacOSX -framework options and distutils weirdness

2007-10-12 Thread Oleg Broytmann
of gcc installed with setup.py called the wrong one and your shell script the right one? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Python-Dev

[Python-Dev] Iterating over objects of unknown length

2007-09-26 Thread Oleg Broytmann
this a bug in the logging module (and other libraries) and submit patches? 2. Or should I stop raising exceptions in __nonzero__()? In this particular case with logging the fix is simple - do and args[0] after type check. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru

Re: [Python-Dev] Iterating over objects of unknown length

2007-09-26 Thread Oleg Broytmann
yes ... yes On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 09:29:10AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: So I'm for #1 *and* #2. I see now. Thank you! Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] Iterating over objects of unknown length

2007-09-26 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 01:33:47PM +1200, Greg Ewing wrote: Oleg Broytmann wrote: if sqlQuery: for row in sqlQuery: ... else: # no rows To prevent users from writing such code the class implements __nonzero__() that always raises an exception. I'm not sure I like that idea. It's

Re: [Python-Dev] Summaries and the New Lists

2007-04-24 Thread Oleg Broytmann
three development lists into all the summaries. I prefer the second option I prefer the second, too. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN

Re: [Python-Dev] More exposure for PEP8 (was: context manager - generator interaction?)

2007-04-06 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 10:58:41AM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: It might even be worthwhile to give PEP 8 more exposure in the tutorial or on the documentation ToC page. And bundle the PEP with the distributed documentation. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru

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