Re: [Python-Dev] Status of C compilers for Python on Windows

2014-10-25 Thread Tony Kelman
I'm several weeks late to this discussion, but I'm glad to see that it happened. I'm not a Python developer, and barely a user, but I have several years of daily experience compiling complicated scientific software cross- platform, particularly with MinGW-w64 for Windows. The Python community, bot

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of C compilers for Python on Windows

2014-10-26 Thread Tony Kelman
Thanks all for the responses. Clearly this is a subject about which people feel strongly, so that's good at least. David Murray's guidance in particular points to the most likely path to get improvements to really happen. Steve Dower: > Building CPython for Windows is not something that needs solv

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of C compilers for Python on Windows

2014-10-26 Thread Tony Kelman
If this includes (or would likely include) a significant portion of the Scientific Computing community, I would think that would be a compelling use case. I can't speak for any of the scientific computing community besides myself, but my thoughts: much of the development, as you know, happens on

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of C compilers for Python on Windows

2014-10-26 Thread Tony Kelman
Not really, to be honest. I still don't understand why anyone not directly involved in CPython development would need to build their own Python executable on Windows. Can you explain a single specific situation where installing and using the python.org executable is not possible I want, and in m

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of C compilers for Python on Windows

2014-10-28 Thread Tony Kelman
Stephen J. Turnbull: Python is open source. Nobody is objecting to "somebody else" doing this.[1] The problem here is simply that some "somebody elses" are trying to throw future work over the wall into python-dev space. If that's how it's seen at this point, then it sounds like the logical c

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of C compilers for Python on Windows

2014-10-28 Thread Tony Kelman
Stephen J. Turnbull: Sure -- as long as it works for them, though, such potential contributors don't necessarily care if it works for anybody else. My experience (in other projects) is that allowing that level of commitment to be sufficient for inclusion in the maintained code base frequently re

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of C compilers for Python on Windows

2014-10-29 Thread Tony Kelman
Stephen J. Turnbull: the pain of using Windows is what drives me away from all of them. Enough that you are not able to make the software you write usable on Windows? I see your point and agree with it - I don't even like Windows much at all, but supporting it is important for plenty of reasons