Re: [Python-Dev] Continuing 2.x

2010-10-28 Thread lutz
pment community is focused on some imaginary future user base, at the expense of the much larger current user base. Then again, there's still plenty of Fortran77 code out there, so... --Mark Lutz (http://learning-python.com, http://rmi.net/~lutz)

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-12 Thread lutz
Python users want. If Python core developers want 3.X to become as popular as 2.X, they should be less concerned with posts on this list or hands at a conference, than with the feet of the masses whose votes will ultimately decide 3.X's fate. --Mark Lutz (http://learning-python.com, http://

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-08 Thread lutz
t will break their code. (Yes, sarcasm intended.) --Mark Lutz (http://learning-python.com, http://rmi.net/~lutz) > -Original Message- > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > To: l...@rmi.net > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package > (most

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-08 Thread lutz
ally given the still tentative state of 3.X, stability matters. --Mark Lutz (http://learning-python.com, http://rmi.net/~lutz) > -Original Message- > From: "R. David Murray" > To: l...@rmi.net > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mo

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-07 Thread lutz
rticular change's scope remains to be seen; but to channel most of the users I meet out there in the real world today: Enough with the 3.X changes already, eh? --Mark Lutz (http://learning-python.com, http://rmi.net/~lutz) ___ Python-Dev mailin

Re: [Python-Dev] email package status in 3.X

2010-06-18 Thread lutz
gh to tip the scales altogether. --Mark Lutz (http://learning-python.com, http://rmi.net/~lutz) > -Original Message- > From: Michael Foord > To: l...@rmi.net > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] email package status in 3.X > Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:27:46 +0100 > > On 18/06/20

Re: [Python-Dev] email package status in 3.X

2010-06-18 Thread lutz
nd. So here it is: The prevailing view is that 3.X developers hoisted things on users that they did not fully work through themselves. Unicode is prime among these: for all the talk here about how 2.X was broken in this regard, the implications of the 3.X string solution remain to be fully resol

Re: [Python-Dev] email package status in 3.X

2010-06-18 Thread lutz
to offer here. For better or worse, though, this is a personal issue to me too. After spending much of the last 2 years updating the best selling Python books for all the changes this group has seen fit to make, I believe I can say with some authority that 3.X still faces a very uncertain fut

Re: [Python-Dev] email package status in 3.X

2010-06-16 Thread lutz
usly put in an incredible amount of work on 3.X. As someone who remembers 0.X, though, it's hard not to find the current situation a bit disappointing. --Mark Lutz (http://learning-python.com, http://rmi.net/~lutz) > -Original Message- > From: l...@rmi.net > To: "R.